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I’m not sure which part of our national security surveillance state apparatus is endangered by foreign ownership, but I assume at face value that there is some

I’m not sure which part of our national security surveillance state apparatus is endangered by foreign ownership, but I assume at face value that there is some very embarrassing facts that our local spooks are not keen to share with China. What does the great firewall of America look like, from the infrastructure & interface angle? Would we want to share that with China? Your Google searches and all your metadata that can likely be accessed with relative ease… is there a similar surveillance capability that we’d wish to share with China in how spooks make data requests? China has no jurisdiction over you… there’s no real punishing to relate to what you have viewed on TikTok, so why are your viewing habits a threat to national security? I don’t believe this to be a zero sum game. This is further extension of authoritarianism from a government that is terrified of anything short of pervasive colonoscopy-tier data collection.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
>I’m not sure which part of our national security surveillance state apparatus is endangered by foreign ownership, The propaganda part. Remember a month ago when everyone's feed had a video in it from the TikTok CEO encouraging people to side with TikTok. They are scared shitless of not being mostly in control of that kind of power when applied to Americans. They are worried that the next Saddam is going to pay TikTok, or some future foreign competitor to torpedo whatever the next WMD lie is (and this will be done with Chinese blessing because that will be in their geopolitical interest). The possibility was easy to ignore back when all the social media giants were American and the feds had jurisdiction and soft power over them. Now there's a new entrant that China has jurisdiction and soft power over. They want the status quo back. Hence why all the bill language is mostly about preventing foreign ownership.
- imbnwa 4y ago
  >Remember a month ago when everyone's feed had a video in it from the TikTok CEO encouraging people to side with TikTok. Remember how Elon makes it a point to stick himself into everybody's Twitter feed and even fired a guy for not maximizing this further?
  - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
    The establishment can squash Elon if he gets so far out of line that it pisses a critical mass of them off. He's a US Citizen. His business assets are in the US (mostly). They can get at him so long as some large subset of "they" is ok enough with it. They can't do that with "hypothetical Chinese Elon" so long as said Elon remains in good standing with the powers that be there.
    - imbnwa 4y ago
      The establishment will give him carte blanche if Musk's Twitter purchase proves out for the GOP Presidential election
NLPaep 4y ago
No jurisdiction? They threaten your family back home.
pixl97 4y ago
>China has no jurisdiction over you… there’s no real punishing to relate to what you have viewed on TikTok, so why are your viewing habits a threat to national security? I mean, I mostly agree with what your saying above this, but this particular line I disagree with. People get blackmailed all the time for different reasons. If I'm looking for a person in a hardware/software company that has weaknesses, having a full view of their social media is a great starting place.
- chemmail 4y ago
  "Traditional" hacking is getting pretty rough, basically a gamble to find an exploit, social engineering will be the easiest vector to attack something. Being able to gather data and influence will make it that much easier. I mean even Jeff Bezos got hacked by his Saudi "friends."

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

>I’m not sure which part of our national security surveillance state apparatus is endangered by foreign ownership, The propaganda part. Remember a month ago when everyone's feed had a video in it from the TikTok CEO encouraging people to side with TikTok. They are scared shitless of not being mostly in control of that kind of power when applied to Americans. They are worried that the next Saddam is going to pay TikTok, or some future foreign competitor to torpedo whatever the next WMD lie is (and this will be done with Chinese blessing because that will be in their geopolitical interest). The possibility was easy to ignore back when all the social media giants were American and the feds had jurisdiction and soft power over them. Now there's a new entrant that China has jurisdiction and soft power over. They want the status quo back. Hence why all the bill language is mostly about preventing foreign ownership.

imbnwa 4y ago
>Remember a month ago when everyone's feed had a video in it from the TikTok CEO encouraging people to side with TikTok. Remember how Elon makes it a point to stick himself into everybody's Twitter feed and even fired a guy for not maximizing this further?
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  The establishment can squash Elon if he gets so far out of line that it pisses a critical mass of them off. He's a US Citizen. His business assets are in the US (mostly). They can get at him so long as some large subset of "they" is ok enough with it. They can't do that with "hypothetical Chinese Elon" so long as said Elon remains in good standing with the powers that be there.
  - imbnwa 4y ago
    The establishment will give him carte blanche if Musk's Twitter purchase proves out for the GOP Presidential election

NLPaep 4y ago

No jurisdiction? They threaten your family back home.

pixl97 4y ago

>China has no jurisdiction over you… there’s no real punishing to relate to what you have viewed on TikTok, so why are your viewing habits a threat to national security? I mean, I mostly agree with what your saying above this, but this particular line I disagree with. People get blackmailed all the time for different reasons. If I'm looking for a person in a hardware/software company that has weaknesses, having a full view of their social media is a great starting place.

chemmail 4y ago
"Traditional" hacking is getting pretty rough, basically a gamble to find an exploit, social engineering will be the easiest vector to attack something. Being able to gather data and influence will make it that much easier. I mean even Jeff Bezos got hacked by his Saudi "friends."