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> the same level of sweeping control with the implementation of a Great Firewall The same level ?

by throwaway29812 4y ago

sebzim4500 4y ago
Genuine question: can violating the Great Firewall lead to a 20 year prison sentence? What about a $1M fine?
- firen777 4y ago
  If you are small fish watching Twitch and Pornhub, couple of weeks, maybe. If you are a dissidents influencer or online figure, on the other hand, you will be lucky to even be found out why you disappeared.
  - throwaway29812 4y ago
    We still don't know where this woman is: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kassycho/chinese-woman-ink-xi-jinping-live-stream-disappeared https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kassycho/chinese-woman-... And more recently: https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/22/china/china-zero-covid-protesters-detained-beijing-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/22/china/china-zero-covid-protes...
    - throwaway29812 4y ago
      Oh no, it gets worse: https://hongkongfp.com/2022/09/26/father-of-chinese-ink-girl-dong-yaoqiong-dies-in-prison-body-found-covered-with-wounds-reports/ https://hongkongfp.com/2022/09/26/father-of-chinese-ink-girl...
- throwaway29812 4y ago
  1. Hundreds of bills exist in draft form, like this one, and are never passed. 2. There are countless examples of dissidents in China disappeared that amounts to worse than a 20 year prison sentence, which again is part of a bill that remains highly unlikely to pass in its current form. I would point to actual cases of authoritarian oppression rather than theoretical ones.
sudosysgen 4y ago
From a layman's reading of the bill, it would require ISPs to set up bans for arbitrary foreign websites, and it would impose harsh penalties on entities enabling any bypass. Whether it is used to its fullest extent cannot be known, but if the President wanted to, this bill would allow them to ban any major foreign website and would require companies to effectively set up a firewall. In theory, it could be applied to be even more severe than the Great Firewall, depending on how you interpret certain sections.

> the same level of sweeping control with the implementation of a Great Firewall The same level ?

sebzim4500 4y ago

Genuine question: can violating the Great Firewall lead to a 20 year prison sentence? What about a $1M fine?

firen777 4y ago
If you are small fish watching Twitch and Pornhub, couple of weeks, maybe. If you are a dissidents influencer or online figure, on the other hand, you will be lucky to even be found out why you disappeared.
- throwaway29812 4y ago
  We still don't know where this woman is: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kassycho/chinese-woman-ink-xi-jinping-live-stream-disappeared https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kassycho/chinese-woman-... And more recently: https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/22/china/china-zero-covid-protesters-detained-beijing-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/22/china/china-zero-covid-protes...
  - throwaway29812 4y ago
    Oh no, it gets worse: https://hongkongfp.com/2022/09/26/father-of-chinese-ink-girl-dong-yaoqiong-dies-in-prison-body-found-covered-with-wounds-reports/ https://hongkongfp.com/2022/09/26/father-of-chinese-ink-girl...
throwaway29812 4y ago
1. Hundreds of bills exist in draft form, like this one, and are never passed. 2. There are countless examples of dissidents in China disappeared that amounts to worse than a 20 year prison sentence, which again is part of a bill that remains highly unlikely to pass in its current form. I would point to actual cases of authoritarian oppression rather than theoretical ones.

sudosysgen 4y ago

From a layman's reading of the bill, it would require ISPs to set up bans for arbitrary foreign websites, and it would impose harsh penalties on entities enabling any bypass. Whether it is used to its fullest extent cannot be known, but if the President wanted to, this bill would allow them to ban any major foreign website and would require companies to effectively set up a firewall. In theory, it could be applied to be even more severe than the Great Firewall, depending on how you interpret certain sections.