Or, Plato's Forms are not what we would expect. Because humans are converging on something, and it doesn't fit 'someone's specific concept of ideal', doesn't m

Or, Plato's Forms are not what we would expect. Because humans are converging on something, and it doesn't fit 'someone's specific concept of ideal', doesn't mean it isn't converging to the Form. That is just arrogantly saying you have more of the 'ideal' in mind than anyone else. But nature can be ugly too, and that is potentially the true 'ideal'.