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Yeah, part of the concern is job automation / mass-unemployment which is less likely if AI research is slowed down / driven underground. We need to manage the

Yeah, part of the concern is job automation / mass-unemployment which is less likely if AI research is slowed down / driven underground. We need to manage the transition of the labor force and ideally not have it happen overnight.

mewpmewp2 4y ago
Job automation, mass unemployment needs to be solved by other means. If it causes this, there needs to appear some sort of government provided insurance mechanism that for people whose jobs are automated are guaranteed to receive income based on how they used to work for the transition period and finally everyone would be served UBI. So a task force has to be put together that will determine which jobs are affected and government should start offering paid retraining for these individuals until everything is automated.
- throwthrowuknow 4y ago
  Only way UBI can work is if you tax automation at the same rate you would pay people to do the job at which point there is hardly any incentive to automate. Best case is putting the automation in the hands of the people so they can compete. Distribute the means of production.
  - mewpmewp2 4y ago
    Yes, have to think about how to tax exactly. Other way would be to slowly increase business taxes for everyone instead of only the ones who automate, to incentivise everyone to automate or perish. How would you put automation in the hands of the people?
    - throwthrowuknow 4y ago
      We’re on our way. 3D printers, insanely cheap power tools, even CNCs are steadily decreasing in price while at the same time hobbyists are building metal milling ones for a couple hundred dollars, there are indie plastic recyclers showing that you can make decent products with open source and cheap equipment, for AI there’s LLaMA and soon a million GPT based tools. Centralized industry requires too much sustained demand in order to make the capital investment worthwhile. There are few that really require it and they’re mostly resource extraction and refining. Not everyone need build everything but we could certainly thrive with many more tradesmen and small manufacturers.

mewpmewp2 4y ago

Job automation, mass unemployment needs to be solved by other means. If it causes this, there needs to appear some sort of government provided insurance mechanism that for people whose jobs are automated are guaranteed to receive income based on how they used to work for the transition period and finally everyone would be served UBI. So a task force has to be put together that will determine which jobs are affected and government should start offering paid retraining for these individuals until everything is automated.

throwthrowuknow 4y ago
Only way UBI can work is if you tax automation at the same rate you would pay people to do the job at which point there is hardly any incentive to automate. Best case is putting the automation in the hands of the people so they can compete. Distribute the means of production.
- mewpmewp2 4y ago
  Yes, have to think about how to tax exactly. Other way would be to slowly increase business taxes for everyone instead of only the ones who automate, to incentivise everyone to automate or perish. How would you put automation in the hands of the people?
  - throwthrowuknow 4y ago
    We’re on our way. 3D printers, insanely cheap power tools, even CNCs are steadily decreasing in price while at the same time hobbyists are building metal milling ones for a couple hundred dollars, there are indie plastic recyclers showing that you can make decent products with open source and cheap equipment, for AI there’s LLaMA and soon a million GPT based tools. Centralized industry requires too much sustained demand in order to make the capital investment worthwhile. There are few that really require it and they’re mostly resource extraction and refining. Not everyone need build everything but we could certainly thrive with many more tradesmen and small manufacturers.