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The Restrict Act would allow the Feds access to all the data on our devices

varunjain99 4y ago
While the language of the bill is certainly way too broad and confusing, there's also a lot of fearmongering + exaggeration going on... E.g. I'm hearing folks talk about criminalizing VPN use... but the bill does lay out very high standards for any criminal liability
- epakai 4y ago
  It's almost amusing to see them post part of the text of the bill, and there's nothing in those sections that confirms what they claim. On reddit I ran into the VPN claim, but they only posted the section of the bill that listed foreign adversaries followed by the criminal penalties. Sadly these are getting lots of engagement with their sensational claims. Seems to work on HN as well...
  - taskforcegemini 4y ago
    maybe they see an angle how this can be abused. With delicate subjects like this it is better to be extra careful. reverting these kinds of laws is unlikely
    - epakai 3y ago
      Then they should post about what they see then instead of foisting an unsubstantiated headline with non-evidence. Ridiculous to defend this rubbish.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  I don't mind the exaggeration, what is more puzzling to me is how anyone can take these "very high" standards seriously. That never worked right in the past.
zerocrates 4y ago
The specific claim that it would cover Ring seems wrong? The whole thing only comes into effect for things controlled by "foreign adversaries" (pre-defined as China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and Venezuela-under-Maduro) and their subjects. So in practical effect this is going to touch things from China and Russia, and wouldn't touch Ring, as it's controlled by Amazon. (Though the government already has pretty substantial access to Ring footage.)
- taskforcegemini 4y ago
  was the device assembled in china? or were any of its parts?
throwaway67743 4y ago
Impossible to even tell whats real anymore, the sheer amount of absurd nonsense coming out of the West (as in, USA+friends, Europe, etc) at the moment honestly I wouldn't be surprised at any of this

While the language of the bill is certainly way too broad and confusing, there's also a lot of fearmongering + exaggeration going on... E.g. I'm hearing folks talk about criminalizing VPN use... but the bill does lay out very high standards for any criminal liability

epakai 4y ago
It's almost amusing to see them post part of the text of the bill, and there's nothing in those sections that confirms what they claim. On reddit I ran into the VPN claim, but they only posted the section of the bill that listed foreign adversaries followed by the criminal penalties. Sadly these are getting lots of engagement with their sensational claims. Seems to work on HN as well...
- taskforcegemini 4y ago
  maybe they see an angle how this can be abused. With delicate subjects like this it is better to be extra careful. reverting these kinds of laws is unlikely
  - epakai 3y ago
    Then they should post about what they see then instead of foisting an unsubstantiated headline with non-evidence. Ridiculous to defend this rubbish.
raxxorraxor 4y ago
I don't mind the exaggeration, what is more puzzling to me is how anyone can take these "very high" standards seriously. That never worked right in the past.

zerocrates 4y ago

The specific claim that it would cover Ring seems wrong? The whole thing only comes into effect for things controlled by "foreign adversaries" (pre-defined as China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and Venezuela-under-Maduro) and their subjects. So in practical effect this is going to touch things from China and Russia, and wouldn't touch Ring, as it's controlled by Amazon. (Though the government already has pretty substantial access to Ring footage.)

taskforcegemini 4y ago
was the device assembled in china? or were any of its parts?

throwaway67743 4y ago

Impossible to even tell whats real anymore, the sheer amount of absurd nonsense coming out of the West (as in, USA+friends, Europe, etc) at the moment honestly I wouldn't be surprised at any of this