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This bill is so awful it cannot be allowed to pass. It reminds me of the Patriot Act.
by Entinel 4y ago
This bill is so awful it cannot be allowed to pass. It reminds me of the Patriot Act.
- hitpointdrew 4y agoIt's MUCH WORSE than the Patriot act. This bill is absolutely horrific. And calling it at bill to "ban TikTok" is extremely disingenuous as it egregiously goes well beyond that.
- quasarj 4y agoWe need a good breakdown of it. I read it, but don't think I really understood.
- hitpointdrew 4y agoJeremy Hambly does a decent job breaking parts of it down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6AynjtnJG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6AynjtnJG8
- xiphias2 4y agoThanks! The worst part of this is all the comments about social networking when this bill is about punishing people who want privacy or end to end encrypted communication on their devices with 1 million dollar fine and 20 years of jail time.
- hot_gril 4y agoI don't need a breakdown, I already hate it.
- atlasunshrugged 4y agoWhy? It seems focused on only applications/products from a few countries of concern
- chimeracoder 4y ago> Why? It seems focused on only applications/products from a few countries of concern ...or any country that the Secretary of Commerce unilaterally decides is a "national security" concern. That's an incredibly sweeping power to grant.
- atlasunshrugged 4y agoSure, but there are natural guardrails within that... for instance if we decided to call the UK a country of national security concern it would trigger massive diplomatic and trade ramifications. Other than China you'll notice everyone else on the list basically has 0 trade volume with the U.S., so there's not much damage to the U.S. economy, but doing it to other countries would be a major escalation with economic consequences.
- wahnfrieden 4y agoNo it wouldn’t because the decision wouldn’t be publicized.
- atlasunshrugged 4y agoHow would that be possible? I've read the text and didn't see any ability for them to not publish it, but more practically as soon as they ban an app from X country not already on the list, wouldn't it become clear in their justification for doing so that the country of origin would have been added?
- realce 4y agoYou can't read books from Eurasia, it's against the law.
- atlasunshrugged 4y agoThat's silly of course, but what about a Ractive? I think something that actively tries to collect data on you and shape your perception controlled by a geopolitical competitor should be handled carefully and potentially outlawed.
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- petilon 4y ago> This bill is absolutely horrific. In what way? Explain that, and let readers decide if it is horrific.
- chimeracoder 4y ago> In what way? Explain that, and let readers decide if it is horrific. The bill allows the Secretary of Commerce to unilaterally ban products associated with countries of their choosing, with a 20 year prison sentence for any US citizen who attempts to use a VPN to circumvent the access ban.
- FormerBandmate 4y ago> a 20 year prison sentence for any US citizen who attempts to use a VPN to circumvent the access ban That's fucked up and insane. It should also fail a First Amendment test easily, but that all depends on the courts
- falcolas 4y agoIt’s also worth noting that the Secretary of Commerce is not an elected position.
- HDThoreaun 4y agoAs if trusting congressmen to ban stuff is a better option.
- falcolas 4y agoBetter than somebody with zero accountability to the public, with no practical oversight of their actions.
- bratsche 4y agoWow, really? That's crazy! My wife and I use WeChat because her family lives in China and we want to be able to chat and do video calls with her. If Secretary of Commerce declares that WeChat is illegal that is going to put an enormous strain on my family.
- akomtu 4y agoIt's also worth noting the rise of authoritarism in so many countries simultaneously.