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> It's the best way to describe it: they change maybe the wifi card, certainly the logo, tweak a few bios defaults, and for sure you a premium for that, but tha

> It's the best way to describe it: they change maybe the wifi card, certainly the logo, tweak a few bios defaults, and for sure you a premium for that, but that's all they can do Nope. That's 100% false. https://twitter.com/jeremy_soller/status/1322954630448427011 https://twitter.com/jeremy_soller/status/1322954630448427011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17039414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17039414 I don't get why Lenovos are supposedly so great. The one I had at work was _terrible_, hands down the worst Linux experience I've ever had. And I put Linux on a bunch of Windows boxen back when we had no choices in the matter.

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csdvrx 4y ago
> I don't get why Lenovos are supposedly so great. The one I had at work was _terrible_, hands down the worst Linux experience I've ever had. You only had one? How can you pretend to know a brand with 1 model? FYI, of the modern thinkpads, only those from the X1 series are good. On the others series, too many corners have been cut. At work, you're unlikely to have gotten a X1, so I'm not surprised about your experience. If you are curious and want to try, get a X1, even an old one from ebay. It can be great after some minor configuration, and I'd be happy to help: my 2 lenovos (a hold on windows and linux, a nano just on linux) are both perfectly stable, consume less than 5% of battery per 10h of sleep, and resumes perfectly. I don't know any better computer to run Linux, or I would have gotten it already. TBH the nano is so great that I've moved from Windows to Linux on the desk(lap)top in 2023 :) > That's 100% false. Look at the comments from your own link, from actual users of Clevos who are trying to politely say it's not as good as claimed. There's a lot of astroturfing from linux related brands on sites like HN. And FYI a tweaked fan curve is nothing to brag about, when they have components not even working like the fingerprint reader. Now if you are curious, invest a few hunders in a used thinkpad and see for yourself.
- trelane 4y ago
  > You only had one? How can you pretend to know a brand with 1 model? Because it is also a common sentiment I've heard from others, on X1s. But also because it was my experience > FYI, of the modern thinkpads, only those from the X1 series are good. I'm sure if you research thoroughly and are lucky it xan work. I'd rather pay fir a company that fully backs Linux on the hardware. > TBH the nano is so great that I've moved from Windows to Linux on the desk(lap)top in 2023 :) I'm glad you did, welcome! (I've been running Linux since the 90s. :) I'm glad it's working for you, but I'd suggest it's a poor strategy even if it's perhaps an acceptable tactic. > Look at the comments from your own link, from actual users of Clevos who are trying to politely say it's not as good as claimed. Yes, because Clevos are not System76? That's rather my point. They're the people who bought Clevos and discovered the hard way that they're different in very salient ways. > There's a lot of astroturfing from linux related brands on sites like HN. Astroturfing? I've talked woth these folks and have used their hardware since the late to mid-aughts. Saying they're contradicting their claims, and they're saying up front they work for System76. It's like claiming a RedHat dev is astroturfing when they say how the internals of the distro work. (And I'm highly sceptical of them having the disposable cash to splash out to hire astroturfers!) > tweaked fan curve is nothing to brag about, when they have components not even working like the fingerprint reader. It's not just a tweaked fan curve. The firmwares are entirely different. The reply about the fingerprint reader sounds reasonable. They don't have nearly the leverage of Dell, Lenovo, or Apple to get the ODM to do what they want. This sounds reasonable (and not my own experience.) They're a small shop, in no small part because people keep showing Linux on Windows computers. > Now if you are curious, invest a few hunders in a used thinkpad and see for yourself. I could, or I could keep buying hardware that is for Linux, with support. I think my time is worth it.
  - csdvrx 4y ago
    > It's not just a tweaked fan curve. The firmwares are entirely different. Unless they are featuring coreboot, they just tweaked options in say the Insyde bios, so no, not entirely different. > I could, or I could keep buying hardware that is for Linux, with support. I think my time is worth it. Personally, I prefer quality. Should you ever change your mind, get in touch, I'm preparing a sick arch image with absolutely perfect hardware support on wayland!

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csdvrx 4y ago

> I don't get why Lenovos are supposedly so great. The one I had at work was _terrible_, hands down the worst Linux experience I've ever had. You only had one? How can you pretend to know a brand with 1 model? FYI, of the modern thinkpads, only those from the X1 series are good. On the others series, too many corners have been cut. At work, you're unlikely to have gotten a X1, so I'm not surprised about your experience. If you are curious and want to try, get a X1, even an old one from ebay. It can be great after some minor configuration, and I'd be happy to help: my 2 lenovos (a hold on windows and linux, a nano just on linux) are both perfectly stable, consume less than 5% of battery per 10h of sleep, and resumes perfectly. I don't know any better computer to run Linux, or I would have gotten it already. TBH the nano is so great that I've moved from Windows to Linux on the desk(lap)top in 2023 :) > That's 100% false. Look at the comments from your own link, from actual users of Clevos who are trying to politely say it's not as good as claimed. There's a lot of astroturfing from linux related brands on sites like HN. And FYI a tweaked fan curve is nothing to brag about, when they have components not even working like the fingerprint reader. Now if you are curious, invest a few hunders in a used thinkpad and see for yourself.

trelane 4y ago
> You only had one? How can you pretend to know a brand with 1 model? Because it is also a common sentiment I've heard from others, on X1s. But also because it was my experience > FYI, of the modern thinkpads, only those from the X1 series are good. I'm sure if you research thoroughly and are lucky it xan work. I'd rather pay fir a company that fully backs Linux on the hardware. > TBH the nano is so great that I've moved from Windows to Linux on the desk(lap)top in 2023 :) I'm glad you did, welcome! (I've been running Linux since the 90s. :) I'm glad it's working for you, but I'd suggest it's a poor strategy even if it's perhaps an acceptable tactic. > Look at the comments from your own link, from actual users of Clevos who are trying to politely say it's not as good as claimed. Yes, because Clevos are not System76? That's rather my point. They're the people who bought Clevos and discovered the hard way that they're different in very salient ways. > There's a lot of astroturfing from linux related brands on sites like HN. Astroturfing? I've talked woth these folks and have used their hardware since the late to mid-aughts. Saying they're contradicting their claims, and they're saying up front they work for System76. It's like claiming a RedHat dev is astroturfing when they say how the internals of the distro work. (And I'm highly sceptical of them having the disposable cash to splash out to hire astroturfers!) > tweaked fan curve is nothing to brag about, when they have components not even working like the fingerprint reader. It's not just a tweaked fan curve. The firmwares are entirely different. The reply about the fingerprint reader sounds reasonable. They don't have nearly the leverage of Dell, Lenovo, or Apple to get the ODM to do what they want. This sounds reasonable (and not my own experience.) They're a small shop, in no small part because people keep showing Linux on Windows computers. > Now if you are curious, invest a few hunders in a used thinkpad and see for yourself. I could, or I could keep buying hardware that is for Linux, with support. I think my time is worth it.
- csdvrx 4y ago
  > It's not just a tweaked fan curve. The firmwares are entirely different. Unless they are featuring coreboot, they just tweaked options in say the Insyde bios, so no, not entirely different. > I could, or I could keep buying hardware that is for Linux, with support. I think my time is worth it. Personally, I prefer quality. Should you ever change your mind, get in touch, I'm preparing a sick arch image with absolutely perfect hardware support on wayland!