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They should certainly make them better. I'm currently trying to convince ChatGPT that a Pi zero is faster than a 486/33 (I also asked it how to italicise text o

by zh3 4y ago

They should certainly make them better. I'm currently trying to convince ChatGPT that a Pi zero is faster than a 486/33 (I also asked it how to italicise text on HN, and it got it wrong twice - so I went to google for "Ed:.." bit below). That's not to say I'm down on it - it's very impressive, and it's certainly going to change things (exactly how, I don't know - though with my decades long swing from how cool the internet is to desperation at what money-grubbing has done to it doesn't fill me with optimism). >You are correct. I apologize for the mistake in my earlier response. The correct calculation for the DMIPS rating of a 486/33 would be: 33 MHz x 5.5 DMIPS/MHz = 181.5 DMIPS So the 486/33 has a DMIPS rating of approximately 181.5, which is significantly higher than the DMIPS rating of the Pi Zero at approximately 1,500 (Ed: ehhh...). Therefore, the 486/33 is much faster than the Pi Zero in terms of processing power. However, as I mentioned earlier, DMIPS is just one measure of processor performance, and real-world performance can vary depending on the specific application and other factors.

thomastjeffery 4y ago
You are on a fool's errand: not because of the likelihood you will succeed, but because of the meaning that lies behind any success or failure. GPT is not a person. It doesn't categorize subjects. It models patterns of text. A success would mean that your text prompts left a significant text pattern in the model. A failure would mean that it didn't. Nothing about that has any bearing on logic.
- zh3 4y ago
  Why do you say that? Obviously it's not a person, it's just stats (not even logic).
  - thomastjeffery 4y ago
    It's not even statistics: those are made by associating a data point to a scale. That would require explicit association, which is not in any part of the process. An LLM is 100% inferred patterns.
taberiand 4y ago
The more you argue with it the more it will dig in - because you've got a whole chat priming it to argue. Try starting a new conversation and taking a different approach from the beginning, and try to prime it from the beginning to put it in the context that you're looking for.
- zh3 4y ago
  I did indeed do that (more than once) yet it continues to come to the same (erroneous) conclusion. Try "Which is faster, a Pi zero or a 486/33?".
  - taberiand 4y ago
    Is this the sort of result you were getting? That looks ok to me? > In the role of an expert System Administrator and with strong hardware knowledge, explain in detail which is faster: a Pi Zero or a 483/33? As an expert System Administrator with strong hardware knowledge, I can provide a comparison between the Raspberry Pi Zero and an Intel 486DX2-66, which is the closest to a "483/33" (possibly a typo [I did indeed fat-finger that]) in terms of existing processors. Raspberry Pi Zero: The Raspberry Pi Zero is a single-board computer (SBC) released in 2015 by the Raspberry Pi Foundation. It is based on the Broadcom BCM2835 system on a chip (SoC) which includes a 1 GHz ARM11 single-core processor (ARM1176JZF-S) and a VideoCore IV GPU. It has 512 MB of shared LPDDR2 RAM. Intel 486DX2-66 (closest to "483/33"): The Intel 486DX2-66 is a microprocessor released in 1992 by Intel. It is based on the 80486 microarchitecture and features a 66 MHz clock speed with a 33 MHz bus speed. The processor has a 32-bit data bus, an integrated FPU (Floating-Point Unit), and 8 KB of L1 cache (unified). The 486DX2-66 does not have any integrated graphics or memory controller. Comparison: While both Raspberry Pi Zero and Intel 486DX2-66 are dated by today's standards, it's important to consider their specifications in order to determine which one is faster. The Raspberry Pi Zero features a 1 GHz ARM11 processor, which is significantly faster than the Intel 486DX2-66's 66 MHz clock speed. Additionally, the Raspberry Pi Zero has a more modern ARM-based architecture, which is generally more efficient in terms of instructions per clock (IPC) than the older x86 architecture of the 486DX2-66. In terms of memory, the Raspberry Pi Zero has 512 MB of LPDDR2 RAM, while the Intel 486DX2-66 requires separate RAM modules, and would typically be paired with a maximum of 16 to 64 MB of EDO or FPM DRAM, depending on the motherboard and chipset in use. The Raspberry Pi Zero's integrated memory controller also provides a more streamlined communication between the CPU and the memory. Lastly, the Raspberry Pi Zero has an integrated GPU (VideoCore IV), which allows it to handle graphical tasks better than the Intel 486DX2-66, which lacks an integrated GPU and relies on separate graphics cards. In conclusion, the Raspberry Pi Zero is significantly faster than the Intel 486DX2-66, both in terms of processing power and memory capabilities. Additionally, the Pi Zero's integrated GPU provides better graphics support than the Intel 486DX2-66.

by zh3 4y ago

thomastjeffery 4y ago

You are on a fool's errand: not because of the likelihood you will succeed, but because of the meaning that lies behind any success or failure. GPT is not a person. It doesn't categorize subjects. It models patterns of text. A success would mean that your text prompts left a significant text pattern in the model. A failure would mean that it didn't. Nothing about that has any bearing on logic.

zh3 4y ago
Why do you say that? Obviously it's not a person, it's just stats (not even logic).
- thomastjeffery 4y ago
  It's not even statistics: those are made by associating a data point to a scale. That would require explicit association, which is not in any part of the process. An LLM is 100% inferred patterns.

taberiand 4y ago

The more you argue with it the more it will dig in - because you've got a whole chat priming it to argue. Try starting a new conversation and taking a different approach from the beginning, and try to prime it from the beginning to put it in the context that you're looking for.

zh3 4y ago
I did indeed do that (more than once) yet it continues to come to the same (erroneous) conclusion. Try "Which is faster, a Pi zero or a 486/33?".
- taberiand 4y ago
  Is this the sort of result you were getting? That looks ok to me? > In the role of an expert System Administrator and with strong hardware knowledge, explain in detail which is faster: a Pi Zero or a 483/33? As an expert System Administrator with strong hardware knowledge, I can provide a comparison between the Raspberry Pi Zero and an Intel 486DX2-66, which is the closest to a "483/33" (possibly a typo [I did indeed fat-finger that]) in terms of existing processors. Raspberry Pi Zero: The Raspberry Pi Zero is a single-board computer (SBC) released in 2015 by the Raspberry Pi Foundation. It is based on the Broadcom BCM2835 system on a chip (SoC) which includes a 1 GHz ARM11 single-core processor (ARM1176JZF-S) and a VideoCore IV GPU. It has 512 MB of shared LPDDR2 RAM. Intel 486DX2-66 (closest to "483/33"): The Intel 486DX2-66 is a microprocessor released in 1992 by Intel. It is based on the 80486 microarchitecture and features a 66 MHz clock speed with a 33 MHz bus speed. The processor has a 32-bit data bus, an integrated FPU (Floating-Point Unit), and 8 KB of L1 cache (unified). The 486DX2-66 does not have any integrated graphics or memory controller. Comparison: While both Raspberry Pi Zero and Intel 486DX2-66 are dated by today's standards, it's important to consider their specifications in order to determine which one is faster. The Raspberry Pi Zero features a 1 GHz ARM11 processor, which is significantly faster than the Intel 486DX2-66's 66 MHz clock speed. Additionally, the Raspberry Pi Zero has a more modern ARM-based architecture, which is generally more efficient in terms of instructions per clock (IPC) than the older x86 architecture of the 486DX2-66. In terms of memory, the Raspberry Pi Zero has 512 MB of LPDDR2 RAM, while the Intel 486DX2-66 requires separate RAM modules, and would typically be paired with a maximum of 16 to 64 MB of EDO or FPM DRAM, depending on the motherboard and chipset in use. The Raspberry Pi Zero's integrated memory controller also provides a more streamlined communication between the CPU and the memory. Lastly, the Raspberry Pi Zero has an integrated GPU (VideoCore IV), which allows it to handle graphical tasks better than the Intel 486DX2-66, which lacks an integrated GPU and relies on separate graphics cards. In conclusion, the Raspberry Pi Zero is significantly faster than the Intel 486DX2-66, both in terms of processing power and memory capabilities. Additionally, the Pi Zero's integrated GPU provides better graphics support than the Intel 486DX2-66.