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I never have a search problem. I need either information, a service or a product. Or information about a service or a product. I never need a search, a websit

by ralfn 4y ago

I never have a search problem. I need either information, a service or a product. Or information about a service or a product. I never need a search, a website or an app. That's never the problem I'm trying to solve. Search, websites and apps are the tools I have to use (currently) to solve my problems. In the process I have to: - deal with the fact that the interest of the makers of the app or website do not align with mine - deal with privacy invasions/ads/notifications - deal with things being phrased disingenuously - deal with apps needing to update, website being broken/bandwidth wasted And most importantly, unless two vendors implemented an integration together, I have to integrate their services myself! I never want to leave the chat. I want to do all my transactions from the chat. All of them. On my terms. With my prompts. Whoever facilitates that can take a 5-30% cut on all my online transactions. Examples: - book me a highly rated hotel in Berlin around 100 euro p/n most suitable for a staycation for next week Monday to Friday. Make a reservation near that hotel for the highest rated traditional German cuisine restaurant with a price per plate of 20-30 euro - send every contact ive emailed with from my work email in the last year a Christmas card with a funny but professional pun about the invention of the steam engine. Send it to their work address.

rchaud 4y ago
> - book me a highly rated hotel in Berlin around 100 euro p/n most suitable for a staycation for next week Monday to Friday. Make a reservation near that hotel for the highest rated traditional German cuisine restaurant with a price per plate of 20-30 euro I imagine this will go about as well as if you chose to purchase an apartment purely on the basis of the real estate agency's description.
- ralfn 4y ago
  This is what I do now on booking.com. If you have a smarter strategy let me know. But whatever the strategy is: it can be automated. I also spent a lot more time on the choice where I live than the hotel in going to stay at for a week. Weird. And although ChatGPT currently doesn't have up to date information about hotels or the ability to book it (a simple booking.com plugin would enable that though), it is smart enough to either pick a hotel with remote working facilities or consider one with coworking spaces nearby.
  - rchaud 4y ago
    I don't know if it's a smarter strategy, but you can send a travel agency your list of requirements and they'll send you back a quote. My parents' generation are probably the only people that still use agencies, but it works for them. It takes longer than a search query, but they don't want the hassle of coordinating logistics, and have some peace of mind that they're getting what they asked for.
    - ralfn 4y ago
      So what's the bussiness model of the travel agency? - they take a cut - they are neutral because they want repeat bussiness - they are personalised around your requirements - they take care of the little details It's exactly what I'm describing here, except automated. Because at heart their work is analyst work and thats exactly what you can automate with a LLM
      - ezst 4y ago
        What makes you think those results would be neural, and not sponsored/SEOed the same way everything is these days? What makes you think the machine works for you and not the advertisers? Also, to this day, LLMs/ANNs are not capable of explaining their outcome, and you won't argue/reason with them. That's a pretty big difference if you ask me.
        ralfn 4y ago
        >What makes you think those results would be neural, and not sponsored/SEOed the same way everything is these days? Because it would be the less profitable bussiness. >Also, to this day, LLMs/ANNs are not capable of explaining their outcome, and you won't argue/reason with them How would I be able to tell that your response is human and not a LLM? I definately can argue within a chat thread. They can also provide a plausible sounding explanation. We know due to the nature of the technology that that explanation (sounding rational, deductive) isn't the truth. We are just not all ready to accept all the same shortcomings also apply to humans.
electrondood 4y ago
I would add: "Open an incognito window because I don't feel like seeing targeted ads for the random crap I'm curious about."
numbchuckskills 4y ago
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by ralfn 4y ago

rchaud 4y ago

> - book me a highly rated hotel in Berlin around 100 euro p/n most suitable for a staycation for next week Monday to Friday. Make a reservation near that hotel for the highest rated traditional German cuisine restaurant with a price per plate of 20-30 euro I imagine this will go about as well as if you chose to purchase an apartment purely on the basis of the real estate agency's description.

ralfn 4y ago
This is what I do now on booking.com. If you have a smarter strategy let me know. But whatever the strategy is: it can be automated. I also spent a lot more time on the choice where I live than the hotel in going to stay at for a week. Weird. And although ChatGPT currently doesn't have up to date information about hotels or the ability to book it (a simple booking.com plugin would enable that though), it is smart enough to either pick a hotel with remote working facilities or consider one with coworking spaces nearby.
- rchaud 4y ago
  I don't know if it's a smarter strategy, but you can send a travel agency your list of requirements and they'll send you back a quote. My parents' generation are probably the only people that still use agencies, but it works for them. It takes longer than a search query, but they don't want the hassle of coordinating logistics, and have some peace of mind that they're getting what they asked for.
  - ralfn 4y ago
    So what's the bussiness model of the travel agency? - they take a cut - they are neutral because they want repeat bussiness - they are personalised around your requirements - they take care of the little details It's exactly what I'm describing here, except automated. Because at heart their work is analyst work and thats exactly what you can automate with a LLM
    - ezst 4y ago
      What makes you think those results would be neural, and not sponsored/SEOed the same way everything is these days? What makes you think the machine works for you and not the advertisers? Also, to this day, LLMs/ANNs are not capable of explaining their outcome, and you won't argue/reason with them. That's a pretty big difference if you ask me.
      - ralfn 4y ago
        >What makes you think those results would be neural, and not sponsored/SEOed the same way everything is these days? Because it would be the less profitable bussiness. >Also, to this day, LLMs/ANNs are not capable of explaining their outcome, and you won't argue/reason with them How would I be able to tell that your response is human and not a LLM? I definately can argue within a chat thread. They can also provide a plausible sounding explanation. We know due to the nature of the technology that that explanation (sounding rational, deductive) isn't the truth. We are just not all ready to accept all the same shortcomings also apply to humans.

electrondood 4y ago

I would add: "Open an incognito window because I don't feel like seeing targeted ads for the random crap I'm curious about."

numbchuckskills 4y ago

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