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>AI research and development should be refocused on making today's powerful, state-of-the-art systems more accurate, safe, interpretable, transparent, robust, a

>AI research and development should be refocused on making today's powerful, state-of-the-art systems more accurate, safe, interpretable, transparent, robust, aligned, trustworthy, and loyal. LMAO. “AI should have… waves at a laundry list of nice sounding adjectives that mean different things to every single signatory in order to accomplish… Humanity [can enjoy] a flourishing future with AI. This will take… six months.” Six months doesn’t sound long enough to guarantee AI safety, but it sounds about long enough for Elmo to train up and release his anti-wokeness LLM (whatever that means), which he has been pretty vocal about being important.

nbar1 4y ago
All the nicknames for people on HN has this place feeling like Reddit lately. What happened to mature conversations on interesting topics?
- braingenious 4y ago
  I’m not really sure what there is to gain from making sure not to poke fun at a guy that spends all day posting wojack memes and rambling about the “woke mind virus”, but ok, here’s some “mature conversation”. Upon perusal of the gentleman's penned expressions, it is my solemn conviction that his faculties of intellect and comprehension are, regrettably, of the most inferior order. It is with utmost eloquence that I convey the supremacy of my discernment whilst maintaining a dignified and majestic reserve.
  - nbar1 4y ago
    > has this place feeling like Reddit lately.
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puma_ambit 4y ago
Completely agree.
dang 4y ago
Hey can you please recalibrate your comments so that you're making substantive points thoughtfully? We're trying to avoid flamewar here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules, we'd be grateful. Note these: "Don't be snarky." "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity."
- braingenious 4y ago
  Elon Musk has publicly spoken at length about his ongoing struggle with the “woke” crowd https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-wading-into-politics-stop-woke-mind-virus-2022-5?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-wading-into-p... https://townhall.com/tipsheet/madelineleesman/2021/12/22/elon-musk-wokeness-is-divisive-exclusionary-and-hateful-n2600948 https://townhall.com/tipsheet/madelineleesman/2021/12/22/elo... https://nypost.com/2022/04/29/elon-musk-says-woke-progressive-extremists-make-him-look-right-wing/ https://nypost.com/2022/04/29/elon-musk-says-woke-progressiv... And has publicly voiced his support for a language model that supports his political views https://www.theinformation.com/articles/fighting-woke-ai-musk-recruits-team-to-develop-openai-rival?irgwc=1&irclickid=TP0zjRQ5OxyNWWp3K3ztAVVqUkAWOr2j2QVFRY0&irgwc=1&utm_source=affiliate&utm_medium=cpa&utm_campaign=10078-Skimbit+Ltd.&utm_term=hearst.com https://www.theinformation.com/articles/fighting-woke-ai-mus... Now that this comment thread has been flagged because I said LMAO, has the quality of discussion about the future of LLMs been improved by suppressing publicly-available posts by one of the most influential figures in AI? How is strictly policing tone to the extent of suppressing actual information useful here? Like seriously, “criticizing a billionaire that’s very public about using technology to further his ideological goals is the same thing as using technology to further your ideological goals is genuinely funny. Like ROFLMAO funny. “Everyone is equivalent to Elon Musk, even in the context of discussing the future of LLMs.” Is a cartoonish rule that serves no purpose whatsoever aside from quelling legitimate criticism.
  - dang 4y ago
    I'm not arguing with you about Elon Musk or any of the underlying topics. I'm saying that your account has been breaking the site guidelines by posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait. Those things create and fuel flamewars, which is destructive of everything we're trying for HN to be. We want a place on the internet that doesn't inexorably burn itself to a crisp. Since that's the direction of internet entropy, we expend a lot of energy trying to go the other way. We need users like you to help with that, and when accounts don't help with that and instead continue to post destructively, we have to ban them, regardless of their ideological orientation or political positions. I don't want to ban you, so if you'd please take the intended spirit of the site more to heart, I'd appreciate it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago
> Elmo to train up and release his anti-wokeness LLM (whatever that means) It appears to mean doing without the safety / be-nice aspects of human alignment, and getting something much rawer and unfiltered. An unsafe "free speech" bot.

nbar1 4y ago

All the nicknames for people on HN has this place feeling like Reddit lately. What happened to mature conversations on interesting topics?

braingenious 4y ago
I’m not really sure what there is to gain from making sure not to poke fun at a guy that spends all day posting wojack memes and rambling about the “woke mind virus”, but ok, here’s some “mature conversation”. Upon perusal of the gentleman's penned expressions, it is my solemn conviction that his faculties of intellect and comprehension are, regrettably, of the most inferior order. It is with utmost eloquence that I convey the supremacy of my discernment whilst maintaining a dignified and majestic reserve.
- nbar1 4y ago
  > has this place feeling like Reddit lately.

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puma_ambit 4y ago

Completely agree.

dang 4y ago

Hey can you please recalibrate your comments so that you're making substantive points thoughtfully? We're trying to avoid flamewar here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules, we'd be grateful. Note these: "Don't be snarky." "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity."

braingenious 4y ago
Elon Musk has publicly spoken at length about his ongoing struggle with the “woke” crowd https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-wading-into-politics-stop-woke-mind-virus-2022-5?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-wading-into-p... https://townhall.com/tipsheet/madelineleesman/2021/12/22/elon-musk-wokeness-is-divisive-exclusionary-and-hateful-n2600948 https://townhall.com/tipsheet/madelineleesman/2021/12/22/elo... https://nypost.com/2022/04/29/elon-musk-says-woke-progressive-extremists-make-him-look-right-wing/ https://nypost.com/2022/04/29/elon-musk-says-woke-progressiv... And has publicly voiced his support for a language model that supports his political views https://www.theinformation.com/articles/fighting-woke-ai-musk-recruits-team-to-develop-openai-rival?irgwc=1&irclickid=TP0zjRQ5OxyNWWp3K3ztAVVqUkAWOr2j2QVFRY0&irgwc=1&utm_source=affiliate&utm_medium=cpa&utm_campaign=10078-Skimbit+Ltd.&utm_term=hearst.com https://www.theinformation.com/articles/fighting-woke-ai-mus... Now that this comment thread has been flagged because I said LMAO, has the quality of discussion about the future of LLMs been improved by suppressing publicly-available posts by one of the most influential figures in AI? How is strictly policing tone to the extent of suppressing actual information useful here? Like seriously, “criticizing a billionaire that’s very public about using technology to further his ideological goals is the same thing as using technology to further your ideological goals is genuinely funny. Like ROFLMAO funny. “Everyone is equivalent to Elon Musk, even in the context of discussing the future of LLMs.” Is a cartoonish rule that serves no purpose whatsoever aside from quelling legitimate criticism.
- dang 4y ago
  I'm not arguing with you about Elon Musk or any of the underlying topics. I'm saying that your account has been breaking the site guidelines by posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait. Those things create and fuel flamewars, which is destructive of everything we're trying for HN to be. We want a place on the internet that doesn't inexorably burn itself to a crisp. Since that's the direction of internet entropy, we expend a lot of energy trying to go the other way. We need users like you to help with that, and when accounts don't help with that and instead continue to post destructively, we have to ban them, regardless of their ideological orientation or political positions. I don't want to ban you, so if you'd please take the intended spirit of the site more to heart, I'd appreciate it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago

> Elmo to train up and release his anti-wokeness LLM (whatever that means) It appears to mean doing without the safety / be-nice aspects of human alignment, and getting something much rawer and unfiltered. An unsafe "free speech" bot.