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Here is a list of the referred critiques in the show notes: The Miseducation of Free Speech (https://www.virginialawreview.org/articles/miseducation-free-speec
by PuppyTailWags 4y ago
Here is a list of the referred critiques in the show notes:
The Miseducation of Free Speech (https://www.virginialawreview.org/articles/miseducation-free-speech/ https://www.virginialawreview.org/articles/miseducation-free...)
College and the “Culture War”: Assessing Higher Education’s Influence on Moral Attitudes (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00031224211041094 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00031224211041...)
The Myth of the Campus Coddle Crisis (https://academeblog.org/2018/12/28/the-myth-of-the-campus-coddle-crisis-the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/ https://academeblog.org/2018/12/28/the-myth-of-the-campus-co...)
What ‘Safe Spaces’ Really Look Like on College Campuses (https://www.chronicle.com/article/what-safe-spaces-really-look-like-on-college-campuses/?bc_nonce=peduocnzcslb08jxmt1dlb&cid=reg_wall_signup https://www.chronicle.com/article/what-safe-spaces-really-lo...)
Are College Campuses Really in the Thrall of Leftist Censors? (https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/03/hypersensitive-campus-progressives-judith-shulevitz-is-half-right-but-takes-her-criticisms-too-far.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/03/hypersensitive-camp...)
Speaking Freely: What Students Think about Expression at American Colleges (https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/student-attitudes-free-speech-survey https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/student-attitudes-fre...)
‘Not all cultures are created equal’ says Penn Law professor in op-ed (https://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/amy-wax-penn-law-cultural-values https://www.thedp.com/article/2017/08/amy-wax-penn-law-cultu...) How
Right Wing Media Has Tried to Stifle Student Speech at Evergreen State College (https://psmag.com/education/the-real-free-speech-story-at-evergreen-college https://psmag.com/education/the-real-free-speech-story-at-ev...)
I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me (https://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid https://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afrai...)
In College and Hiding From Scary Ideas (https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shu...)
- scythe 4y agoIt's not much easier to engage with ten articles of varying quality and varying levels of disagreement than with a podcast. >The Miseducation of Free Speech Does not focus on Haidt. >College and the “Culture War”: Assessing Higher Education’s Influence on Moral Attitudes Does not focus on Haidt. >The Myth of the Campus Coddle Crisis "This is not one of those laudatory reviews. Although I agree with many things they write, and share their general outlook in opposition to safetyism (protecting people from any possible harms, including offensive ideas) and in favor of free speech, I want to focus on my disagreements because dissent is more interesting and more important." Dissents on specific political implications while agreeing with the wider point. >What 'Safe Spaces' really look like on college campuses Does not mention Haidt at all; focuses mostly on "safe spaces" in the narrow sense of support groups. >Are College Campuses Really in the Thrall of Leftist Censors? Tabloid piece; focuses primarily on political bias and not overall censorship; does not mention Haidt. >Speaking Freely: What Students Think about Expression at American Colleges From FIRE, whose leadership worked with Haidt on the book; presumably not that critical of Haidt. Skipped. >Not all cultures are created equal’ says Penn Law professor in op-ed Focuses on Amy Waxman, an infamously racist professor whom even "anti-woke" firebrand Norman Finkelstein has denounced. A bit of a strawman. >Right Wing Media Has Tried to Stifle Student Speech at Evergreen State College Does not focus on Haidt; essentially agrees by highlighting censorship on college campuses, but disputes whether it is primarily leftist. >I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me Skipped. You know why. >In College and Hiding from Scary Ideas Paywall; title indicates that it agrees with Haidt. Nowhere in this Gish gallop of links is there a serious critique of the analysis in The Coddling of the American Mind, except in the third link, where the author is explicitly saying he agrees with Haidt on most points. Using this to discredit Haidt as he discusses a completely different subject is not a very helpful contribution to the overall discussion.
- PuppyTailWags 4y agoThe Amy Waxman point was explicitly used by The Coddling Of The American Mind to prove its point, while the book completely ignored the context that Amy Waxman was racist, which is why it's referenced here. It's clear you haven't even read the book you're trying to defend here, so why are you doing this? Edited to add: A gish-gallop? I'm just linking a set of references that the podcast uses because of the critique that podcasts are apparently bad to listen to? Do you want a transcript or something? I'm just wanting to let folks have some context to this article dude, that isn't coming from a source without its own biases and to keep that in mind when reading. Why are you being weird about this, man?
- wktra 4y agoExcited to go through the links to see Haidt deflated only to walk away thoroughly disappointed...
- mehlmao 4y agoHaidt's book argues that students and faculty denouncing Amy Wax is stifling a culture of freedom of speech, while purposefully not addressing what the students and faculty were denouncing. This is one of the few examples he provides.
- censor_me 4y ago[dead]