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You're just misunderstanding the concept of culture here. "Culture" doesn't define a flavor, it's just having a consistent flavor driven by shared values at al

You're just misunderstanding the concept of culture here. "Culture" doesn't define a flavor, it's just having a consistent flavor driven by shared values at all levels of the company: If Microsoft had culture, that culture could be "we are always the plain vanilla ice cream for our customers" "Culture" is what keeps you from adding soy sauce to your vanilla ice cream that has managed to captivate the globe... just to make a few pennies. Which is what these ads are.

lwhi 4y ago
Culture is the recipe; the combination of attributes that makes it distinctive.
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
I think in my mind it's loaded because of who the quote is coming from - I have a very clear idea of what "iCulture" means to me. It's not at all vanilla, though it does offer vanilla, but calls it "artisanal french vanilla". How you're describing it, "culture" sounds more like "values", which might be a better understanding.
- PascLeRasc 4y ago
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNK4VKeoBM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNK4VKeoBM
waboremo 4y ago
A much more clear example. However and tying this into what Steve Jobs was saying, Microsoft's culture would not be "plain vanilla ice cream". It's lacking taste, so it would be a waffle cone topped with mayonnaise that looks like soft serve vanilla ice cream. They have no taste, they can't tell the difference and due to their massive moats people eat up anyways.
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  I agree they're not vanilla ice cream, but I do think Microsoft could be that vanilla provider if they actually worked to form a culture. These ads are a great example: So many teams did thing right to get "BingGPT" in everyone's minds. But then some tasteless exec looking to notch "monetized leading LLM driven search engine" on their belt got to ask some developers to get some ads into the thing and now they've dumped on all the hard work that came before that. If they had a proper culture ideally an exec like that would not work at MS, and even if they did they'd have hit resistance on so many levels. Developers would not want to work on it. Designers would push back, PMs would deprioritize. At the end of the day their short-sighted idea would have stayed just that: an idea.
  - waboremo 4y ago
    Fully in agreement, they're in all the necessary positions to do so.

lwhi 4y ago

Culture is the recipe; the combination of attributes that makes it distinctive.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

I think in my mind it's loaded because of who the quote is coming from - I have a very clear idea of what "iCulture" means to me. It's not at all vanilla, though it does offer vanilla, but calls it "artisanal french vanilla". How you're describing it, "culture" sounds more like "values", which might be a better understanding.

PascLeRasc 4y ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNK4VKeoBM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNK4VKeoBM

waboremo 4y ago

A much more clear example. However and tying this into what Steve Jobs was saying, Microsoft's culture would not be "plain vanilla ice cream". It's lacking taste, so it would be a waffle cone topped with mayonnaise that looks like soft serve vanilla ice cream. They have no taste, they can't tell the difference and due to their massive moats people eat up anyways.

BoorishBears 4y ago
I agree they're not vanilla ice cream, but I do think Microsoft could be that vanilla provider if they actually worked to form a culture. These ads are a great example: So many teams did thing right to get "BingGPT" in everyone's minds. But then some tasteless exec looking to notch "monetized leading LLM driven search engine" on their belt got to ask some developers to get some ads into the thing and now they've dumped on all the hard work that came before that. If they had a proper culture ideally an exec like that would not work at MS, and even if they did they'd have hit resistance on so many levels. Developers would not want to work on it. Designers would push back, PMs would deprioritize. At the end of the day their short-sighted idea would have stayed just that: an idea.
- waboremo 4y ago
  Fully in agreement, they're in all the necessary positions to do so.