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"The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste and and and what that means is... I don't mean that the small way I m
by IceHegel 4y ago
"The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste and and and what that means is... I don't mean that the small way I mean in a big way. In the sense that they they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products."
- Steve Jobs
- pjmlp 4y agoEven though I am mostly on Microsoft stacks, Steve Jobs was right. Whatever good will the development teams are able to deliver, it get messed up by sales and marketing business units.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y agoI'm perfectly happy with Microsoft, as an an enterprise solution provider, having no "culture" in their products. I don't want "Made with <heart emoji> at Redmond", I want the equivalent of vanilla ice cream that just works. That said, ads in bing chat IS adding a flavour, and I don't like it, not one bit.
- BoorishBears 4y agoYou're just misunderstanding the concept of culture here. "Culture" doesn't define a flavor, it's just having a consistent flavor driven by shared values at all levels of the company: If Microsoft had culture, that culture could be "we are always the plain vanilla ice cream for our customers" "Culture" is what keeps you from adding soy sauce to your vanilla ice cream that has managed to captivate the globe... just to make a few pennies. Which is what these ads are.
- lwhi 4y agoCulture is the recipe; the combination of attributes that makes it distinctive.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y agoI think in my mind it's loaded because of who the quote is coming from - I have a very clear idea of what "iCulture" means to me. It's not at all vanilla, though it does offer vanilla, but calls it "artisanal french vanilla". How you're describing it, "culture" sounds more like "values", which might be a better understanding.
- PascLeRasc 4y agohttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNK4VKeoBM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNK4VKeoBM
- waboremo 4y agoA much more clear example. However and tying this into what Steve Jobs was saying, Microsoft's culture would not be "plain vanilla ice cream". It's lacking taste, so it would be a waffle cone topped with mayonnaise that looks like soft serve vanilla ice cream. They have no taste, they can't tell the difference and due to their massive moats people eat up anyways.
- BoorishBears 4y agoI agree they're not vanilla ice cream, but I do think Microsoft could be that vanilla provider if they actually worked to form a culture. These ads are a great example: So many teams did thing right to get "BingGPT" in everyone's minds. But then some tasteless exec looking to notch "monetized leading LLM driven search engine" on their belt got to ask some developers to get some ads into the thing and now they've dumped on all the hard work that came before that. If they had a proper culture ideally an exec like that would not work at MS, and even if they did they'd have hit resistance on so many levels. Developers would not want to work on it. Designers would push back, PMs would deprioritize. At the end of the day their short-sighted idea would have stayed just that: an idea.
- waboremo 4y agoFully in agreement, they're in all the necessary positions to do so.
- mecsred 4y agoTake a look at the modern software landscape, ads are the vanilla in your vanilla ice cream.
- xattt 4y agoVanilla is comfort. Ads are more like the smell of old cigarette smoke and urine.
- dustymcp 4y agoWell they had to come at some point..
- SketchySeaBeast 4y agoYou'd think they'd wait until you no longer had to sign up to the service to use it. I suppose we should be appreciative of how forthcoming with the dickbaggery they are being here.
- fnordpiglet 4y agoI prefer made in nj, which is expressed as a series of cryptic two letter symbols and line noise looking stuff thrown between.
- PascLeRasc 4y agoYou’re right about how the tabloid news in your taskbar just works, in that it’s always there and I’m not allowed to turn it off.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y agoI always hear people complain about this. I never see it. I use Windows 11 and I never see any ads. The closest I get to is if I search and bing pops up, but that's it. I also turned off all the extra crap, my taskbar and search menu are as bare-bones as possible. Edit: To clarify, I run Windows 11 Home.
- qazxcvbnmlp 4y agoYeah - a fresh windows 11 home install is pretty aggressive. But if you use the pro version or run a cleanup script it’s not bad.
- Asmod4n 4y agoIts not a thing on windows 11 pro, only home it seams.
- CuriouslyC 4y agoCrappy road or poopies and cream?
- electrondood 4y agoWhen Bing Chat started sassing the user, that was like someone had swirled in a nice ribbon of diarrhea into the vanilla ice cream.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y agoIt wouldn't be a Microsoft chatbot without it getting controversial.
- Tommstein 4y agoBard does too. The other day I simply asked it whether it could search the Internet, and it gave me some asshole response about how it wasn't going to do my homework for me and some other stuff I don't remember. And no, homework had nothing to do with anything.
- penjelly 4y agomaybe that was true back then, but now? microsoft has vscode, copilot, chatpgpt ownership, a head start on LLM search, azure, github. It feels like some of those products have some taste/culture and if not, theyre still good products that people seem to be enjoyibg
- PascLeRasc 4y agoHalf of the stuff you listed they just bought and stuck their names on.
- penjelly 4y agoyes im aware they bought github and others on this list. would you say since github has only gone since downhill? I wouldnt at least.
- PascLeRasc 4y agoI’m confused why you think you can attribute the taste and culture of Github to Microsoft, since you seem to know that they did not create it. I’d say Github’s text editor has gone downhill since Microsoft bought it and reassigned the maintainers to a slower and clunkier editor.
- penjelly 4y ago> I’m confused why you think you can attribute the taste and culture of Github to Microsoft i didnt. microsoft has owned github for 4 years at this point. In your opinion, have they degraded githubs culture in that time and if so by how much and how? Personally, from the outside looking in, github and their tools have gotten better. Though of course, that couldve still been the case if github retained its original leadership, i just doubt it.
- imwithstoopid 4y agoand then Jobs released a teal-colored computer so maybe no taste isn't as bad as awful taste
- RosanaAnaDana 4y ago[flagged]
- wilsonnb3 4y agoI like the teal iMac G3, assuming that is the computer you are referring to. Computer colors are so boring usually. Beige, grey, black, white. (Sent from my green M1 iMac)
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- rchaud 4y ago"Anyway, here's 100 Bible apps. Only on the Apple App Store."
- night-rider 4y agoTried the Bing app on iOS and was baffled as to what was the unique selling point. It tries too hard, and is somewhat of an 'everything app' that does multiple things simultaneously and rather badly at that (News, Browsing, Search, Coupons, Chat, etc). It's also really aggressive on the amount of data it grabs. I opened my debugger and it seems they look at everything they can.
- w_for_wumbo 4y agoI'm not sure, I think corporate overreach has always been the flavour of Microsoft. Poor decisions lead by business first incentives instead of a customer focus seems to be a consistent theme from them in my experience.