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Because you already have a laptop? Or they got a laptop from someone like family or an employer? And unless you're a GNU/Nerd, most people have better uses for

Because you already have a laptop? Or they got a laptop from someone like family or an employer? And unless you're a GNU/Nerd, most people have better uses for their time than scouring through the web to find out if fwupd works for the HW when they go shopping for a new laptop. Most normal people just buy a laptop that fits them best and that's it. After all, why would they need to do any extra research for this? Isn't the whole internet and HN preaching that the year of the Linux is here and that it "just works(TM)"? Maybe not without caveats.

trelane 4y ago
> Maybe not watthout caveats. If you keep buying Windows hardware and slapping Linux on it, you'll have to be the systems integration team all by yourself. Without documentation of the hardware, or support. It's a mug's game. Don't play it. Buy Linux hardware, with support.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  If Linux only works on Linux only hardware, then Linux enthusiasts should stop preaching to the Average Joes that it's the year of the Linux and everyone can easily switch from Windows to Linux and everything "just works(TM)", if that isn't completely true, or just be openly honest about the caveats from the start, as most people switching to Linux aren't going to buy new machines just for Linux, but will most likely seek to reuses existing ones they have. And many people in many markets don't have easy access to buying linux specific laptops. A HP, Dell or Lenovo is much easier to find around the world, and most importantly, easier to get service for it when it breaks versus boutique Linux laptop makers like Slimbook, System76, Framework, etc.
  - trelane 4y ago
    I don't think most enthusiasts actually believe slapping Linux on any random piece of Windows hardware will Just Work 100%. Maybe 90%, but there are lots of edge cases. Modern hardware is extremely complicated, and there will be lots of random glitches unless you either do lots of homework and/or are extremely lucky. Or you buy Linux hardware with support. Perhaps you're thinking of responses to the perennial genre of, "I slapped Linux on my Windows box, and it was terrible, so Linux sucks!" posts?

trelane 4y ago

> Maybe not watthout caveats. If you keep buying Windows hardware and slapping Linux on it, you'll have to be the systems integration team all by yourself. Without documentation of the hardware, or support. It's a mug's game. Don't play it. Buy Linux hardware, with support.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
If Linux only works on Linux only hardware, then Linux enthusiasts should stop preaching to the Average Joes that it's the year of the Linux and everyone can easily switch from Windows to Linux and everything "just works(TM)", if that isn't completely true, or just be openly honest about the caveats from the start, as most people switching to Linux aren't going to buy new machines just for Linux, but will most likely seek to reuses existing ones they have. And many people in many markets don't have easy access to buying linux specific laptops. A HP, Dell or Lenovo is much easier to find around the world, and most importantly, easier to get service for it when it breaks versus boutique Linux laptop makers like Slimbook, System76, Framework, etc.
- trelane 4y ago
  I don't think most enthusiasts actually believe slapping Linux on any random piece of Windows hardware will Just Work 100%. Maybe 90%, but there are lots of edge cases. Modern hardware is extremely complicated, and there will be lots of random glitches unless you either do lots of homework and/or are extremely lucky. Or you buy Linux hardware with support. Perhaps you're thinking of responses to the perennial genre of, "I slapped Linux on my Windows box, and it was terrible, so Linux sucks!" posts?