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Part of me wants to be hopeful, part of me just does not believe we're at a point in history where an organization like Disney can make good art.

User23 4y ago
Perlmutter was responsible for the good parts of the MCU. He wanted to focus on good storytelling. From here on out you can expect unabashedly preachy woke propaganda from Feige’s MCU.
- BryantD 4y ago
  The MCU hasn’t been under Perlmutter’s control since 2015. Hey, can you explain exactly what you mean by preachy woke propaganda with some specific examples?
  - bcrosby95 4y ago
    Social and cultural advancement beyond where society was roughly when I entered adulthood.
    - philjohn 4y ago
      Most on the nose description I've seen. A lot of the "anti woke" brigade might want to try reading the source material, it was woke before that word was co-opted as a pejorative.
  - SuoDuanDao 4y ago
    Brie Larsen's charecter being shoehorned in at the 11th hour is the most widely-cited example. But personally, the way the secret police (SHIELD) is cast in the most favourable terms possible is much worse. The political stance called 'Woke' is authoritarian despite pretending rebellion it's important to remember.
- xionon 4y ago
  Perlmutter reportedly said audiences wouldn't notice a replacement actor because "black people look the same," and was a major blocker to woman-led superhero movies because he thought they couldn't sell.
  - linksnapzz 4y ago
    Wow, glad the She-hulk & Ms Marvel returns proved him wrong!
- ubertaco 4y ago
  I dunno who you get your info from, but Ike Perlmutter was acqui-hired from a toy company, constantly fought to fragment the heck out of MCU TV and movie properties, and chronically only cared about what would sell toys. His creative process was described by folks at Marvel Studio as "he just cares about what will make money." It was some solid great passion-for-storytelling on Perlmutter's part that led to recasting Terrence Howard with Don Cheadle, despite them not looking remotely similar, because (in Perlmutter's words) "black people look the same" -- causing a really jarring change to one of the most significant characters in Tony Stark's plotline (but with no attempt at explanation). I don't think Ike Perlmutter is somehow the champion of good art against the forces of lazy pandering that you think he is. I think Ike Perlmutter _is_ the force of lazy pandering that constantly frustrated Marvel Studios' writers until he was finally kicked out back in 2015.
  - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
    > "black people look the same" Try providing a reference that doesn't say "reportedly" and pass the buck. Ditto the bit about him calling the three execs "the help". > I dunno who you get your info from From reading enough of the crappy sites that repeat the claim you posted and yet never point to anyone (even anonymous) willing to personally report it. The thing with false claims is that there is no disproof because there was no story until it was made up. > Ike Perlmutter was acqui-hired from a toy company, You make it sound like toy companies employ losers nobody else would want, and that he was just an employee there, and that Disney only kept him because he came with the building. > chronically only cared about what would sell toys He's thinking about what would make the most money in total, movies + toys. > champion of good art against the forces of lazy pandering Well, 'good art' is what fans want to buy and lazy pandering is just that.

User23 4y ago

Perlmutter was responsible for the good parts of the MCU. He wanted to focus on good storytelling. From here on out you can expect unabashedly preachy woke propaganda from Feige’s MCU.

BryantD 4y ago
The MCU hasn’t been under Perlmutter’s control since 2015. Hey, can you explain exactly what you mean by preachy woke propaganda with some specific examples?
- bcrosby95 4y ago
  Social and cultural advancement beyond where society was roughly when I entered adulthood.
  - philjohn 4y ago
    Most on the nose description I've seen. A lot of the "anti woke" brigade might want to try reading the source material, it was woke before that word was co-opted as a pejorative.
- SuoDuanDao 4y ago
  Brie Larsen's charecter being shoehorned in at the 11th hour is the most widely-cited example. But personally, the way the secret police (SHIELD) is cast in the most favourable terms possible is much worse. The political stance called 'Woke' is authoritarian despite pretending rebellion it's important to remember.
xionon 4y ago
Perlmutter reportedly said audiences wouldn't notice a replacement actor because "black people look the same," and was a major blocker to woman-led superhero movies because he thought they couldn't sell.
- linksnapzz 4y ago
  Wow, glad the She-hulk & Ms Marvel returns proved him wrong!
ubertaco 4y ago
I dunno who you get your info from, but Ike Perlmutter was acqui-hired from a toy company, constantly fought to fragment the heck out of MCU TV and movie properties, and chronically only cared about what would sell toys. His creative process was described by folks at Marvel Studio as "he just cares about what will make money." It was some solid great passion-for-storytelling on Perlmutter's part that led to recasting Terrence Howard with Don Cheadle, despite them not looking remotely similar, because (in Perlmutter's words) "black people look the same" -- causing a really jarring change to one of the most significant characters in Tony Stark's plotline (but with no attempt at explanation). I don't think Ike Perlmutter is somehow the champion of good art against the forces of lazy pandering that you think he is. I think Ike Perlmutter _is_ the force of lazy pandering that constantly frustrated Marvel Studios' writers until he was finally kicked out back in 2015.
- LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
  > "black people look the same" Try providing a reference that doesn't say "reportedly" and pass the buck. Ditto the bit about him calling the three execs "the help". > I dunno who you get your info from From reading enough of the crappy sites that repeat the claim you posted and yet never point to anyone (even anonymous) willing to personally report it. The thing with false claims is that there is no disproof because there was no story until it was made up. > Ike Perlmutter was acqui-hired from a toy company, You make it sound like toy companies employ losers nobody else would want, and that he was just an employee there, and that Disney only kept him because he came with the building. > chronically only cared about what would sell toys He's thinking about what would make the most money in total, movies + toys. > champion of good art against the forces of lazy pandering Well, 'good art' is what fans want to buy and lazy pandering is just that.