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But China actively blocks all US social media companies, right? The social media companies aren't the ones blocking Chinese users from joining. They just don't

by gman83 4y ago

But China actively blocks all US social media companies, right? The social media companies aren't the ones blocking Chinese users from joining. They just don't operate any offices in China.

jpgvm 4y ago
They aren't prevented from entering the market but their existing products are banned because they don't abide by PRC censorship and data sharing requirements. The post you are replying to explains this in detail. Google, Facebook, etc all either had products in China or planned products in China but all voluntarily withdrew for various reasons. I imagine low market share vs domestic services was probably the largest reason. Remember that as soon as you release a service in the West a Chinese clone will spring forth almost instantly. That clone will be much more Chinese then your eventual adaption and as such will you likely struggle to compete with it. Worse yet said clone is probably built by either Alibaba or Tencent both of which have armies of extremely smart engineers, near unlimited cash to sink into new ventures and a near duopoly on the ecosystems necessary to thrive in China. At the end of the day the Chinese market is just incredibly tough and Western companies (perhaps rightly) don't think it's worth the effort.
- insane_dreamer 4y ago
  > Google, Facebook, etc all either had products in China or planned products in China but all voluntarily withdrew for various reasons. I imagine low market share vs domestic services was probably the largest reason. No, Google withdrew because it refused to continue censoring results (and this was back before censorship become much more pervasive, in the 2010s). It wasn't a monopoly like in the US but had a good 30% market share (which in China is a lot). FB, which started later, never even got started in China because censorship of individual posts -- even worse than censoring search results -- would have caused an uproar with FB's user base in the US/Europe.
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  This isn't really true though... Companies that operate in China need to be run by a chinese national. So the government forces companies to create a chinese shell even if they don't have any chinese executives they like. This is how the ARM craziness happened where a rouge executive took over the company for year.

by gman83 4y ago

But China actively blocks all US social media companies, right? The social media companies aren't the ones blocking Chinese users from joining. They just don't operate any offices in China.

jpgvm 4y ago

They aren't prevented from entering the market but their existing products are banned because they don't abide by PRC censorship and data sharing requirements. The post you are replying to explains this in detail. Google, Facebook, etc all either had products in China or planned products in China but all voluntarily withdrew for various reasons. I imagine low market share vs domestic services was probably the largest reason. Remember that as soon as you release a service in the West a Chinese clone will spring forth almost instantly. That clone will be much more Chinese then your eventual adaption and as such will you likely struggle to compete with it. Worse yet said clone is probably built by either Alibaba or Tencent both of which have armies of extremely smart engineers, near unlimited cash to sink into new ventures and a near duopoly on the ecosystems necessary to thrive in China. At the end of the day the Chinese market is just incredibly tough and Western companies (perhaps rightly) don't think it's worth the effort.

insane_dreamer 4y ago
> Google, Facebook, etc all either had products in China or planned products in China but all voluntarily withdrew for various reasons. I imagine low market share vs domestic services was probably the largest reason. No, Google withdrew because it refused to continue censoring results (and this was back before censorship become much more pervasive, in the 2010s). It wasn't a monopoly like in the US but had a good 30% market share (which in China is a lot). FB, which started later, never even got started in China because censorship of individual posts -- even worse than censoring search results -- would have caused an uproar with FB's user base in the US/Europe.
HDThoreaun 4y ago
This isn't really true though... Companies that operate in China need to be run by a chinese national. So the government forces companies to create a chinese shell even if they don't have any chinese executives they like. This is how the ARM craziness happened where a rouge executive took over the company for year.