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Elon thought AI would enslave us, but turns out it empowers us. Now he wants to shut it down and have it all to himself. It's getting to be that whatever the op

Elon thought AI would enslave us, but turns out it empowers us. Now he wants to shut it down and have it all to himself. It's getting to be that whatever the opposite of what Musk wants is the correct course of action for the people.

WillPostForFood 4y ago
the opposite of what Musk wants is the correct course of action for the people. Ok so you want to move back to gas combustion engines, stop deploying internet to rural and third world countries, clamp down on free speech, and make sure there are no tunnels, just elevated highways dividing cities. Is that about right?
- labrador 4y ago
  You're thinking of the old Musk. He used to be a force for good before his mental break, which I timed when Grimes left him for Chelsea Manning and his oldest son came out trans. That's why I used the words "it's getting to be". Everyone is entitled to a mid-life crisis and Musk is no different, but supporting Putin seems a little extreme to me.
  - 0max 4y ago
    Frankly, I think Mrs. Boucher probably gave Elon too many stimmies, psychedelics, and expectations he can't live up to. I remember when she got into a spat with Azalea Banks because she had to trip sit Elon when they were trying to collaborate on a music project.
    - labrador 4y ago
      Yeah, I forgot about the psychedelics. I've done a fair number myself, but always in the woods or desert hoping for a spiritual experience, not in a business setting expecting them to help me make genius financial decisions.
  - kaba0 4y ago
    He was never “good”, he was/is just an egomaniac who need attention.
- HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago
  It's not exactly free speech if you have to pay to be heard (new Twitter policy - only paying members' Tweets will be promoted). Hyperloop turned out to be Tesla-in-a-tunnel. He's got some smart folk working at SpaceX to be sure.
- kaba0 4y ago
  That guy didn’t do anything useful, he has money and some of his companies made a few successful products in spite of he being there. You honestly couldn’t mismanage a company more than what he currently does with twitter - a goddamn cabbage would have done a better job, by literally not doing anything.
sp527 4y ago
You’re an absolute fool if you trust anyone at OpenAI either. “AI will probably most likely lead to the end of the world, but in the meantime, there'll be great companies.” - Sam Altman
tgv 4y ago
> Elon thought AI would enslave us, but turns out it empowers us. I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. GPT3 is 2 years old. It has ample time to enslave us. I'm also still waiting for the "empowering" bit. Haven't really noticed it, I must say. Or are you referring to a few code completion tricks?
- labrador 4y ago
  If you don't feel empowered by AI, imho you're doing it wrong and will probably be one of those left behind to be enslaved. I'm confident in my ability to stay on top, with a help from my own AI.
  - permo-w 4y ago
    so when some societal reject with a CS degree sets up an intention bot to hack into/socially engineer the release of more gm viruses - or worse - what's your personal AI going to do about that? this isn't about being enslaved, it's about being hurt by the actions of a human-like you-who thinks that AI is their route to the top, or just wants to watch the world burn. AI enslavement makes for good films, but we'll all be long dead before that happens
    - labrador 4y ago
      AI is a tool. I'm a swords to plowshares kind of guy myself, but if I have to use it to battle bad guys, so be it.
      - permo-w 4y ago
        I sincerely hope that you're not in any actual position of influence
        labrador 4y ago
        You called me delusional in another comment not made to me so let me explain. I used to be in a position of influence, but I'm an old man now, a recovering alcoholic whose had his ego smashed by alcohol, old age and a spiritual practice similar to Ram Dass' "Becoming Nobody." With that setup, what's surprising to me is that I see the potential for the merging of myself with AI to form a new form of consciousness. It feels natural. Not having much of an ego, I don't feel threatened or afraid. I notice that a lot of younger people, mostly men of some position and status, are afraid of AI, I think because it threatens their status and prestige. They want to concern troll about how it threatens everyone else, but it's about them. So go ahead, call me delusional. You're probably right. Old brains don't always think properly. But maybe this is what Jesus meant when he said the meek shall inherit the Earth.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> Elon thought AI would enslave us, but turns out it empowers us. Absent other non-technical changes, AI along the lines that the main commercial proponents are pursuing empowers the narrow set of capitalists who control it to more efficiently extract value from and exert power over everyone else. “Empower us” and “enslave us” are both accurate, for different values of “us”. (A few people riding the top of the capitalist-control-of-AI wave are trying to sell it as an existential threat to everyone, and to use that as an excuse to concentrate control of AI in their hands, to make social change in the opposite direction needed to mitigate the threat they themselves pose with AI; is this a real threat? If the shared threat is real, it is nowhere near as imminent and probable as the threat posed by those who are selling it.)

WillPostForFood 4y ago

the opposite of what Musk wants is the correct course of action for the people. Ok so you want to move back to gas combustion engines, stop deploying internet to rural and third world countries, clamp down on free speech, and make sure there are no tunnels, just elevated highways dividing cities. Is that about right?

labrador 4y ago
You're thinking of the old Musk. He used to be a force for good before his mental break, which I timed when Grimes left him for Chelsea Manning and his oldest son came out trans. That's why I used the words "it's getting to be". Everyone is entitled to a mid-life crisis and Musk is no different, but supporting Putin seems a little extreme to me.
- 0max 4y ago
  Frankly, I think Mrs. Boucher probably gave Elon too many stimmies, psychedelics, and expectations he can't live up to. I remember when she got into a spat with Azalea Banks because she had to trip sit Elon when they were trying to collaborate on a music project.
  - labrador 4y ago
    Yeah, I forgot about the psychedelics. I've done a fair number myself, but always in the woods or desert hoping for a spiritual experience, not in a business setting expecting them to help me make genius financial decisions.
- kaba0 4y ago
  He was never “good”, he was/is just an egomaniac who need attention.
HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago
It's not exactly free speech if you have to pay to be heard (new Twitter policy - only paying members' Tweets will be promoted). Hyperloop turned out to be Tesla-in-a-tunnel. He's got some smart folk working at SpaceX to be sure.
kaba0 4y ago
That guy didn’t do anything useful, he has money and some of his companies made a few successful products in spite of he being there. You honestly couldn’t mismanage a company more than what he currently does with twitter - a goddamn cabbage would have done a better job, by literally not doing anything.

sp527 4y ago

You’re an absolute fool if you trust anyone at OpenAI either. “AI will probably most likely lead to the end of the world, but in the meantime, there'll be great companies.” - Sam Altman

tgv 4y ago

> Elon thought AI would enslave us, but turns out it empowers us. I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. GPT3 is 2 years old. It has ample time to enslave us. I'm also still waiting for the "empowering" bit. Haven't really noticed it, I must say. Or are you referring to a few code completion tricks?

labrador 4y ago
If you don't feel empowered by AI, imho you're doing it wrong and will probably be one of those left behind to be enslaved. I'm confident in my ability to stay on top, with a help from my own AI.
- permo-w 4y ago
  so when some societal reject with a CS degree sets up an intention bot to hack into/socially engineer the release of more gm viruses - or worse - what's your personal AI going to do about that? this isn't about being enslaved, it's about being hurt by the actions of a human-like you-who thinks that AI is their route to the top, or just wants to watch the world burn. AI enslavement makes for good films, but we'll all be long dead before that happens
  - labrador 4y ago
    AI is a tool. I'm a swords to plowshares kind of guy myself, but if I have to use it to battle bad guys, so be it.
    - permo-w 4y ago
      I sincerely hope that you're not in any actual position of influence
      - labrador 4y ago
        You called me delusional in another comment not made to me so let me explain. I used to be in a position of influence, but I'm an old man now, a recovering alcoholic whose had his ego smashed by alcohol, old age and a spiritual practice similar to Ram Dass' "Becoming Nobody." With that setup, what's surprising to me is that I see the potential for the merging of myself with AI to form a new form of consciousness. It feels natural. Not having much of an ego, I don't feel threatened or afraid. I notice that a lot of younger people, mostly men of some position and status, are afraid of AI, I think because it threatens their status and prestige. They want to concern troll about how it threatens everyone else, but it's about them. So go ahead, call me delusional. You're probably right. Old brains don't always think properly. But maybe this is what Jesus meant when he said the meek shall inherit the Earth.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> Elon thought AI would enslave us, but turns out it empowers us. Absent other non-technical changes, AI along the lines that the main commercial proponents are pursuing empowers the narrow set of capitalists who control it to more efficiently extract value from and exert power over everyone else. “Empower us” and “enslave us” are both accurate, for different values of “us”. (A few people riding the top of the capitalist-control-of-AI wave are trying to sell it as an existential threat to everyone, and to use that as an excuse to concentrate control of AI in their hands, to make social change in the opposite direction needed to mitigate the threat they themselves pose with AI; is this a real threat? If the shared threat is real, it is nowhere near as imminent and probable as the threat posed by those who are selling it.)