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Why are you trying to pay for it? Let procurement at your company figure it out. You wouldn’t pay for your IDE or any other tools, would you? The business shoul

Why are you trying to pay for it? Let procurement at your company figure it out. You wouldn’t pay for your IDE or any other tools, would you? The business should be paying for any tools they want me to use.

DoingIsLearning 4y ago
Plenty of people work as contractors/consultants where payroll pays them as a separate company. In fact you are probably much more likely to have something closer to a FAANG income working as contractor rather than as an employee.
celestialcheese 4y ago
Yes, I would - these tools are massive time savers, and if I suspect it'll soon become a situation where if you don't use these tools, you're going to get left behind. If my org wouldn't pay for them, I would start looking for other jobs (unless your in an industry that can't use them like national security, etc), but I'm not going to let $30/mo stop me from using a tool that significantly improves my work just because of a middle manager. Also, many programmers I know bring their own keyboards.. Chefs often bring their own knives, or mechanics with their own tool chests. Ownership of your own tools is powerful.
ravenstine 4y ago
Oh, my sweet, innocent child. Have you ever tried getting a company to fund a developer tool? More often than not, it's like pulling teeth, even if the service in question is a paltry $20 a month. I've learned to pay for things like OpenAI myself because it's not worth the hassle to get a company to pay for it (for the purpose of R&D).
- drbscl 4y ago
  That's absolutely not a global truth, nor should it be.
- irrational 4y ago
  I’ve been I’m working professionally in the industry for 23 years. I’ve never had a company refuse to purchase any tool I say I want or need. I wouldn’t work for any company that would. My hourly rate is way higher than the cost of any tool. It is ridiculous to not buy tools that might make me more efficient.
  - kzzzznot 4y ago
    When that tool is a 3rd party which takes proprietary code as an input surely you can understand pushback from big software, financial services etc companies?

DoingIsLearning 4y ago

Plenty of people work as contractors/consultants where payroll pays them as a separate company. In fact you are probably much more likely to have something closer to a FAANG income working as contractor rather than as an employee.

celestialcheese 4y ago

Yes, I would - these tools are massive time savers, and if I suspect it'll soon become a situation where if you don't use these tools, you're going to get left behind. If my org wouldn't pay for them, I would start looking for other jobs (unless your in an industry that can't use them like national security, etc), but I'm not going to let $30/mo stop me from using a tool that significantly improves my work just because of a middle manager. Also, many programmers I know bring their own keyboards.. Chefs often bring their own knives, or mechanics with their own tool chests. Ownership of your own tools is powerful.

ravenstine 4y ago

Oh, my sweet, innocent child. Have you ever tried getting a company to fund a developer tool? More often than not, it's like pulling teeth, even if the service in question is a paltry $20 a month. I've learned to pay for things like OpenAI myself because it's not worth the hassle to get a company to pay for it (for the purpose of R&D).

drbscl 4y ago
That's absolutely not a global truth, nor should it be.
irrational 4y ago
I’ve been I’m working professionally in the industry for 23 years. I’ve never had a company refuse to purchase any tool I say I want or need. I wouldn’t work for any company that would. My hourly rate is way higher than the cost of any tool. It is ridiculous to not buy tools that might make me more efficient.
- kzzzznot 4y ago
  When that tool is a 3rd party which takes proprietary code as an input surely you can understand pushback from big software, financial services etc companies?