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Haha: 10 years later after I tried Linux od desktop nothing changed. Distro A: X things works, Y things doesn't Distro B: Y things works, X things doesn't Distr

by sp0ck 4y ago

Haha: 10 years later after I tried Linux od desktop nothing changed. Distro A: X things works, Y things doesn't Distro B: Y things works, X things doesn't Distro C: Partialy X things works and partialy Y things works I never had setup where everything was working :) Moved to Apple and instead of working on a OS, I started using it.

epilys 4y ago
The following is not a reply to you, but to people who say "haha XYZ doesn't work" and "year of Linux desktop". If you can't make this compromise, then FOSS OSes were never for you. Most hardware vendors don't contribute missing drivers or features upstream. The majority of the work is done by unpaid volunteers. It's a fallacy to compare things with Apple, who has in payroll software engineers to support a handful of devices with their custom OS. All these "haha XYZ doesn't work" criticisms have volunteers as their target. Why don't you contribute fixes for your device yourself? Nobody forced you to try Linux distros on your hardware.
- JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago
  > It's a fallacy to compare things with Apple, who has in payroll software engineers to support a handful of devices with their custom OS. How exactly is comparing a Linux distro to MacOS a logical fallacy? [0] The logic for many people is very simple: * I have work I need to do * The open source "volunteer"-built[1] linux distro will unfortunately impose much more friction. * The closed source MacOS/Windows will unfortunately impose way less friction. * Therefore, MacOS is a better tool to get that work done. It might be reversed for an exception like an embedded software engineer or something, but for most everyone else, it's sad but true. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy [1] but let's be honest, aside from the kernel, it's pretty much a corporate game at this point
  - epilys 4y ago
    The fallacy is petitio principii: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question The assumption is that the two operating systems are comparable, for the reasons given in the same sentence after the comma. And of course, no one is forcing you to run linux for your work.
    - fluoridation 4y ago
      Of course they're comparable. They're operating systems that run on the same hardware form factor and attempt to solve about the same set of problems. The fact that one is much better than the other doesn't make them incomparable. That is to say, the fact that comparing them is inconvenient for one of the sides doesn't make the comparison invalid.
      - epilys 4y ago
        That's a different comparison to what I was replying to. I'm talking about the "linux doesn't work the same on all devices" vs "mac just works"

by sp0ck 4y ago

epilys 4y ago

The following is not a reply to you, but to people who say "haha XYZ doesn't work" and "year of Linux desktop". If you can't make this compromise, then FOSS OSes were never for you. Most hardware vendors don't contribute missing drivers or features upstream. The majority of the work is done by unpaid volunteers. It's a fallacy to compare things with Apple, who has in payroll software engineers to support a handful of devices with their custom OS. All these "haha XYZ doesn't work" criticisms have volunteers as their target. Why don't you contribute fixes for your device yourself? Nobody forced you to try Linux distros on your hardware.

JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago
> It's a fallacy to compare things with Apple, who has in payroll software engineers to support a handful of devices with their custom OS. How exactly is comparing a Linux distro to MacOS a logical fallacy? [0] The logic for many people is very simple: * I have work I need to do * The open source "volunteer"-built[1] linux distro will unfortunately impose much more friction. * The closed source MacOS/Windows will unfortunately impose way less friction. * Therefore, MacOS is a better tool to get that work done. It might be reversed for an exception like an embedded software engineer or something, but for most everyone else, it's sad but true. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy [1] but let's be honest, aside from the kernel, it's pretty much a corporate game at this point
- epilys 4y ago
  The fallacy is petitio principii: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question The assumption is that the two operating systems are comparable, for the reasons given in the same sentence after the comma. And of course, no one is forcing you to run linux for your work.
  - fluoridation 4y ago
    Of course they're comparable. They're operating systems that run on the same hardware form factor and attempt to solve about the same set of problems. The fact that one is much better than the other doesn't make them incomparable. That is to say, the fact that comparing them is inconvenient for one of the sides doesn't make the comparison invalid.
    - epilys 4y ago
      That's a different comparison to what I was replying to. I'm talking about the "linux doesn't work the same on all devices" vs "mac just works"