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You don't have to be "far right" or "nationalistic" to not want to destroy your economy
by lm28469 4y ago
You don't have to be "far right" or "nationalistic" to not want to destroy your economy
- dahfizz 4y agoLiking your country and not wanting to be poor are bad things nowadays
- vman81 4y agoAs with all poisons, it's a question of concentration. Greed and nationalism are bad, in the same way that eating a kg of table salt is bad. That doesn't mean that salt in and of itself is bad.
- 9dev 4y agoIf your economy is entirely dependent on a doomed industry, maybe, instead of artificially keeping it alive, focus on modernising that economy instead?
- lm28469 4y agoEvery industry is doomed when developing countries can do the same for half the price... Which is exactly why Europe delocalised a lot of industries in the first place and is now mostly stuck with services, tourism and tech. And it's exactly what we should stop doing if we want to have anything of value left I know it's hard to believe for a lot of people on HN but not every country wants to become yet another soulless cog of the globalized world
- withinboredom 4y agoI have nothing but farm for hours just 10 minutes from house in the EU. There's a lot more than "services, tourism, and tech."
- lm28469 4y agoOf course, but with automation and modern mass farming techniques it represents 1% of the jobs it used to, the rest of the population has been pushed out in services &co If the future Google of lab grown meats comes in the game you'll get even more centralisation, less small/medium exploitations, and most likely 0 local production given the barrier to entry
- MichaelZuo 4y ago> Every industry is doomed when developing countries can do the same for half the price... Which is exactly why Europe delocalised a lot of industries in the first place and is now mostly stuck with services, tourism and tech. This seems false, if there is uninterrupted farmland for hours, regardless of what % EU farms employed?
- unixgoddess 4y agoare you in eastern europe? for most western europe, europe means western europe unfortunately
- lm28469 4y agoEastern Europe is actually the opposite, lower tourism than the west and higher industry: less offshoring + western countries relocated some industries to the east to benefits from lower wages https://preview.redd.it/fmpg5f0i9bc31.png?auto=webp&s=96ce53770942e5a12f04b32db69dba4e64e06f70 https://preview.redd.it/fmpg5f0i9bc31.png?auto=webp&s=96ce53...
- unixgoddess 4y agothat's my point, they have much higher farming and industry than service, so it's not surprising that OP has tons of farms around
- kubb 4y ago[flagged]
- zpeti 4y agoI'm sorry but Italy produces some of my favourite foods, I find it ridiculous to call this a doomed industry. Italy has basically developed some of the best foods for humanity through hundreds of years of craftsmanship, from parmesan to mozarella to pasta, or crudo ham. If anything this should be protected just from a heritage perspective, like you protect an ancient castle or temple. This might mean that food is more expensive, but I for one would pay more for it. We don't have to burn everything good and old to the ground to make way for tech bros of HN creating fake meat.
- 9dev 4y ago> We don't have to burn everything good and old to the ground to make way for tech bros of HN creating fake meat. No. But maybe we can become a species smart enough to avoid the suffering of other beings just for the joy of eating something that tastes nice.
- starkd 4y ago>> just for the joy of eating something that tastes nice That is an example of assuming the worst about someone else with whom you disagree. Taste is not a minor factor. It is a major part of life. Life rituals, commmunity are built around it. It gives life much of its diversity.
- pjc50 4y agoPretty weird to describe "food" as a doomed industry.
- 9dev 4y agoNobody described "food" as a doomed industry, but the practice of slaughtering animals for protein if better alternatives become available (which they definitely are not yet, not even long term).
- stametseater 4y ago[flagged]
- freilanzer 4y agoAh yes, the scheming, devious vegan agenda of animal rights.
- stametseater 4y agoYes. Italy's culinary reputation, joined at the hip to their tourism industry, is worth far more to Italy than that crap.
- gpderetta 4y agoto be clear, they are far right because they are fascists.
- 9dev 4y agoYeah. I always forget that billions of animals suffering is somehow okay if it's about reputation or tasty food. My bad.
- stametseater 4y ago> billions of animals suffering is somehow okay if it's about reputation or tasty food. Billions of humans concur, including an overwhelming majority of Italians. But since when have progressive reformers cared about democracy? You want to impose your ideology on everybody else, even though you don't have popular support. If you did have popular support, the issue would be settled already in your favor, but you don't and so it won't be.
- briandear 4y ago[flagged]
- veeti 4y agoJust HN things: the meat industry that serves 75% of the world population and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future is "doomed".
- rolenthedeep 4y ago"this is the way it's been and it will never change" always works out well. Factory farming is an ecological and ethical dumpster fire. Animals take up a ton of land, feed, and water, and they're pretty terrible at turning feed into meat. The grain that livestock eats can feed more people than the meat from those animals. Factory farming is expensive and unsustainable at our current population, and it's only going to get worse as time goes on. Once the industry around lab grown meat starts to scale, the price will fall to the point that it's no longer economically viable to farm animals at scale. The lab grown meat will be cheaper, have the same or better nutritional content, and do it with a fraction of the land, water, energy, and feedstock input. Given equivalent mass of organic matter as input, lab processes will likely output many times more edible protein. You have the extra benefits of not needing to wait years for an animal to grow up, you don't need to maintain acres of farm or clean up after the animals. You don't have to butcher the animal and deal with the waste products. On the scale of a generation or three, factory farming is absolutely doomed. An unsustainable process can't compete with a sustainable one that operates at a fraction of the cost while producing many times more output. Note that we're specifically talking about industrial factory farming. Small farms will likely always exist, and you can buy "real" meat as a luxury item at an appropriately high price.
- PM_me_your_math 4y agoFood is a doomed industry? Maybe for the people who want to eat insect burgers.
- matheusmoreira 4y agoYeah, sure. Food and drink, doomed industries. Absolutely.
- rob74 4y agoMaybe, but luddism and hiding your head in the sand is not the best way to ensure the long term future of your economy. Of course politicians don't have to think about the long term, just until the next election...
- soco 4y agoYeah "think of the economy" gets to be a very common argument nowadays, almost like "think of the children". I remember it used for refusing any covid restrictions, or used against climate protection measures... I wonder, was it used also to justify keeping slavery?
- arlort 4y agoIf they really wanted to protect the economy they wouldn't be preventing companies from investing in a sector that has huge potential for growth