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I am italian, not sure i agree with this. I would have rather allow it (even if I would have probably not bought lab grown meat) and be sure it's well communica
by bl4ckm0r3 4y ago
I am italian, not sure i agree with this. I would have rather allow it (even if I would have probably not bought lab grown meat) and be sure it's well communicated during the sale (either on the package or from the vendor in case it's a butcher shop).
Especially because we can't ban Monsanto's GMOs and I don't see how this is worse...
- bovermyer 4y agoYeah, allowing Monsanto or other seed tyrants to operate with impunity is not indicative of protecting "food heritage." This is just another example of an old but still powerful industry attacking what it perceives as a threat. The same sort of thing happened to absinthe in France, and that campaign was so successful absinthe became taboo for over a century.
- pfdietz 4y agoGMO banning is another example of protectionism masquerading as something else. The demonization of Monsanto is diagnostic of the derangement/dishonesty.
- bovermyer 4y agoI'm not in favor of banning GMOs, incidentally. The part of the-company-formerly-known-as-Monsanto I take issue with is their predatory practices, like suing farmers for inadvertently cross-pollinating their crops from Monsanto-copyrighted seeds from a neighboring farmer's fields.
- pfdietz 4y agoYou're being a useful fool here, repeating that outright lie, which has been well debunked even here on HN. The scoundrels committing this blood libel against Monsanto and GMOs count on people like you to propagate their poison.
- yamtaddle 4y ago> The scoundrels committing this blood libel against Monsanto and GMOs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel Ahem. Dafuq?
- bovermyer 4y ago"Blood libel?" What in the actual f**? Well, if you're going to be antisemitic, then we're done here. Maybe consider getting some help.
- pfdietz 4y agoI'm being the opposite of antisemitic. Perhaps you could cry "Godwin" and make sense.
- mrguyorama 4y agoComparing people being fooled by propaganda to "Blood libel" is atrocious and just as stupid, hollow, and heartless as the american conservatives who said not being able to get a haircut during the pandemic was comparable to the holocaust. Get a fucking break man. You can educate people that GMOs aren't on their own a danger and that there is a lot of misinformation about these things without being a miserable asshole.
- pfdietz 4y agoIt's two groups of people fooled into demonization for political purposes. And in each case, there is significant harm as a result. I will grant the Holocaust was likely a larger harm, but don't dismiss the harm caused by GMO negativity (which is inextricably bound to Monsanto demonization). Golden Rice blockage alone is arguably an act of genocide.
- mrfreed 4y agoMonsanto is very aggressive to the environment, the farmers, food heritage and common decency. This twisting of reason and aggression you commit is a serious farce. "Blood libel" WTF??
- hobo_in_library 4y agoTheir RoundupReady crops seem to have another poison hidden inside them (literally!) The Roundup pesticide that those crops are sprayed with is made of Glyphosate, and testers keep finding that pesticide showing up inside corn, wheat, and oat products. Seems like those crops don't just ignore the pesticide, they actually absorb it into their grains https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/glyphosate-contamination-food-goes-far-beyond-oat-products https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/glyphosate-contaminat...
- the_af 4y agoBeing against Monsanto != being against GMOs.
- pfdietz 4y agoIt's a tactic of enormous dishonesty used by opponents of GMOs.
- the_af 4y agoConflating the two? Maybe. But here on HN you must assume people understand the difference: that Monsanto is dodgy as a company, but this doesn't generalize to GMOs as a technology.
- pfdietz 4y agoIt's commonly asserted that Monsanto is dodgy as a company. I'm telling you this is a deliberately crafted and propagated deception, used as a weapon against GMOs. It's not something that can be separated.
- the_af 4y agoHow can it be a weapon against GMOs if the criticism of Monsanto is about their business practices?
- pfdietz 4y agoIt's as if you'd never heard of ad hominem arguments. They can be highly effective in the rough and tumble of politicized conflict. If Monsanto tried to defend itself on its merits, all its arguments could be dismissed by saying they're bad and you can't trust anything they say.
- mrguyorama 4y agoGMOs are awesome but monsanto is still a garbage company, just for literally everything else they do that isn't food and plant science. I also think patents on plants and seeds are morally wrong and unjustified so that is an input to my opinion.
- pfdietz 4y agoCan you give some examples of what Monsanto does that makes it such a "shit company"? I totally reject your opinion on plant/seed patents. They're necessary to have GMOs at all in a market economy, and GMOs have tremendous potential for positive contribution to our society.
- psychoslave 4y agoI guess it's far worst from a Monsanto point of view, which has surly more efficient lobbyists
- warrenm 4y agoI'm sure you just missed typing the 'e' ... but a group of arrogant, impetuous, fierce looking lobbyists made my morning :)
- nemo44x 4y agoI am not Italian but think it’s a step in the right direction, but overreaches. I think they should make it law that synthetic meat can’t be called “meat” and that insect ‘flour’ can’t be called “flour”. And should have to be prefaced with “unnatural food product” or similar on all sides of packaging.
- 000ooo000 4y agoDefine 'natural product'. I bet there are thousands of items on shelves now that aren't 'natural' but still escape this scrutiny, just due to having been around a while and flying under the radar.
- fbn79 4y agoAs another Italiano I can totally confirm this.You can find here the most disparate and crazy proposals that are just clickbait nor will never be approved.
- AlecSchueler 4y agoCould you explain your reasoning? The unnatural food product stickers sounds like a health warning but for what? I already buy stuff like oat milk and it never bothered me that it's not actually milk. Same with plant based butters etc
- nemo44x 4y agoWell, it’s unnatural to begin with. Other good movements like “organic” worked hard for that label and the producers of those products work hard. I don’t believe oat milk should be allowed to use the word “milk” and if it wants to then should be prefaced with words describing it as “imitation milk” or similar.
- __void 4y ago> Especially because we can't ban Monsanto's GMOs and I don't see how this is worse... why should GMOs and Monsanto, which has now been taken over and is one of the lesser producers, be banned? and why do we always have to make ourselves known with our mediocrity of repeated bar ideas, dear fellow Italian?
- bl4ckm0r3 4y agoThanks for the free-of-charge judgement, i am not against GMOs, I am against monsanto policies and monopoly that are sales focused and not quality focused (like gmos that only last one crop so you have to buy them again :) ). We tried to block them but eventually they won the right to sell. I just used that as an example on how we allow terrible companies and their terrible product (not gmo in general) to be sold, but not lab produced meat...it seems a bit weird to me!