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The issue isn't with CURRENT government. The issue is that with such huge loopholes, FUTURE one might exploit them on a bigger scale than what happens in Russi

The issue isn't with CURRENT government. The issue is that with such huge loopholes, FUTURE one might exploit them on a bigger scale than what happens in Russia. And being constantly vigilant and opposed to such laws, is what keeps the society sane and working. The protest in France could be officially banned, but it wouldn't stop the protesters. Whereas current Russia would bring in the army to forcefully stop protests.

watwut 4y ago
I did not said that current government is somehow better then other governments. I said that French system is superior regardless of government. Because it produces better outcome systematically over the years, even as this or that government don't want it to happen. I am saying that looking toward Russia laws is bad place to take lessons from. The in book laws in Russian system mean literally nothing. Wagner is illegal in Russia too, actually. Post-socialist human right activists lost and failed. > The protest in France could be officially banned, but it wouldn't stop the protesters. Whereas current Russia would bring in the army to forcefully stop protests. First part yes. Latter part, actually, no. Russia don't bring army within Russia for that nor need to. They have cops and secret service for that and both have enough power. But the lack of democracy in Russia did not happened because the army would systematically suppress Russian protests. (It successfully suppressed Belarusian protests and made Chechnya into vasal state. But in Russia itself, it is not the threat of army that is preventing protests.) The "affirmative notifications" is doing absolutely nothing for democracy in Russia.
soundnote 4y ago
It's not just future governments - think about Canada trying to debank the Convoy protesters, etc. People cheered, because stomping on people they don't like feels good.

watwut 4y ago

I did not said that current government is somehow better then other governments. I said that French system is superior regardless of government. Because it produces better outcome systematically over the years, even as this or that government don't want it to happen. I am saying that looking toward Russia laws is bad place to take lessons from. The in book laws in Russian system mean literally nothing. Wagner is illegal in Russia too, actually. Post-socialist human right activists lost and failed. > The protest in France could be officially banned, but it wouldn't stop the protesters. Whereas current Russia would bring in the army to forcefully stop protests. First part yes. Latter part, actually, no. Russia don't bring army within Russia for that nor need to. They have cops and secret service for that and both have enough power. But the lack of democracy in Russia did not happened because the army would systematically suppress Russian protests. (It successfully suppressed Belarusian protests and made Chechnya into vasal state. But in Russia itself, it is not the threat of army that is preventing protests.) The "affirmative notifications" is doing absolutely nothing for democracy in Russia.

soundnote 4y ago

It's not just future governments - think about Canada trying to debank the Convoy protesters, etc. People cheered, because stomping on people they don't like feels good.