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> Privacy requires secrecy No, it doesn't. When I go to the urologist there is no secret about what's going to happen, but the doctor closes the door to respe

> Privacy requires secrecy No, it doesn't. When I go to the urologist there is no secret about what's going to happen, but the doctor closes the door to respect my privacy. When a woman gives birth, unauthorized people are not allowed to enter the room. Because "privacy". When I take money from the ATM I do it in private, not in secrecy. Everyone knows I am taking money, but are required to not get too close. Conflating the two arguments is either out of confusion or bad faith.

raverbashing 4y ago
> When I go to the urologist there is no secret about what's going to happen, Yes there is. What happens there is a secret, protected by medical secrecy. There are assumptions on what can happen, but it is still protected And whatever you're assuming to happen might not necessarily happen there Having exceptions where the information gets out "by itself" (in the case of pregnancy) do not make the acts that happen there any less secret.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > What happens there is a secret, protected by medical secrecy No, it isn't. My father is (redaction: was) a doctor, there is no secret about it, medical records are not secret, they are public records kept forever in public medical archives. They are private though, to access them you need an authorization and a reason (of course). Unless it's dictated by the law that some medical records must be kept secret: one example is being HIV positive. > And whatever you're assuming to happen might not necessarily happen there You're actually on the right track, but still confuse the two terms. So I'll make it easier for you: privacy is consensual secrecy is not. That's the real difference. You in fact have a “right to privacy” because other people must respect it, but not equivalent “right to secrecy”, you can be asked to reveal a secret by authorities, while they can't (shouldn't) violate your privacy.

raverbashing 4y ago

> When I go to the urologist there is no secret about what's going to happen, Yes there is. What happens there is a secret, protected by medical secrecy. There are assumptions on what can happen, but it is still protected And whatever you're assuming to happen might not necessarily happen there Having exceptions where the information gets out "by itself" (in the case of pregnancy) do not make the acts that happen there any less secret.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> What happens there is a secret, protected by medical secrecy No, it isn't. My father is (redaction: was) a doctor, there is no secret about it, medical records are not secret, they are public records kept forever in public medical archives. They are private though, to access them you need an authorization and a reason (of course). Unless it's dictated by the law that some medical records must be kept secret: one example is being HIV positive. > And whatever you're assuming to happen might not necessarily happen there You're actually on the right track, but still confuse the two terms. So I'll make it easier for you: privacy is consensual secrecy is not. That's the real difference. You in fact have a “right to privacy” because other people must respect it, but not equivalent “right to secrecy”, you can be asked to reveal a secret by authorities, while they can't (shouldn't) violate your privacy.