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I'm sorry you felt the need to characterize me in a derogatory manner, especially based on a dishonest characterization of the point I was making. I'm not awar

by nirvana 15y ago

I'm sorry you felt the need to characterize me in a derogatory manner, especially based on a dishonest characterization of the point I was making. I'm not aware that the previous version of Final Cut Pro has stopped working, or that anyone has been forced to upgrade to FCPX. Nor am I aware that the new UI for editing, which naturally involves a new workflow, makes it impossible for people to adapt to it, or prevents them from sticking with their previous version. It's unfortunate that your response contains broad assertions with few specifics, as this makes it difficult to refute them. In fact, this is exactly the kind of response I saw from the so called "professionals" bashing the product in the first place-- broad assertions that the product doesn't do what it needs to do, without specifics. Further, unfortunately, the specifics you do mention are enabled by third party software, and other apps in the Final Cut suite.

alexqgb 15y ago
If you don't want people treating you like an asshole, stop behaving like one. Case in point: "Now, however, the outcry about FCPX from "professionals" is really about those "professionals" not wanting to learn anything new, because they really aren't editors, they're just cutting things together by rote." Sart with those air quotes. These people aren't "professionals" they're professionals. Denigrating others like this is just a dick move through and through. Stop it. And then there's this: "I'm not aware that the previous version of Final Cut Pro has stopped working, or that anyone has been forced to upgrade to FCPX. Nor am I aware that the new UI for editing, which naturally involves a new workflow, makes it impossible for people to adapt to it, or prevents them from sticking with their previous version." Translation: "I'm not aware of any of the specific problems that have been discussed extensively and in great detail, nor do I understand how any of this works in practice meaning none of the conversations I glanced at made much sense to me anyway, so in truth, I have absolutely no idea what's really going on." And yet you've got no problem insulting people who are very familiar with the problems by saying they they are just "doing things by rote" and "simply don't want to learn." Again, total dick moves. If you have any genuine interest in this, and would like to stop coming across like a complete ignoramus, start by learning more about XML. This really is lynchpin stuff, and if you can appreciate why that it is so important to high-end professional workflows (i.e. on shows with budgets in the tens to hundreds of millions), you may begin to understand what the issues are really about. I promise you, a new UI is the very least of it.
- nirvana 15y ago
  So far you've called me a moron, a nitwit, an idiot, and now asshole, dick and "a complete ignoramus". I really do just wish you'd address my points honestly, rather than spend your time characterizing me. One of the reasons I reached the conclusion I did about those complaining about FCP X is both their lack of knowledge about the product, but also their almost compulsive need to insult the people they disagree with. The only reason I used the word professional in the first place is that those who bashed the product constantly claimed they were professional and that it wasn't professional. Thus they are using an arbitrary definition of professional, one I disagree with, and thus when I refer to it, the quotes are absolutely correct. But, rather than address my point, you used this as an example to pretend like I was saying something else entirely. Even if I had, it doesn't justify the name calling.
  - alexqgb 15y ago
    It's hard to address your points directly when they reflect a near-total ignorance of the actual situation. I'm sorry, but "idiot" is really the best that I can do. And if you honestly think people who have spent literally decades working day-in-day-out as editors and post producers on major network and studio projects still have a debatable status as "professionals" then "idiot" is actually being kind.

by nirvana 15y ago

alexqgb 15y ago

If you don't want people treating you like an asshole, stop behaving like one. Case in point: "Now, however, the outcry about FCPX from "professionals" is really about those "professionals" not wanting to learn anything new, because they really aren't editors, they're just cutting things together by rote." Sart with those air quotes. These people aren't "professionals" they're professionals. Denigrating others like this is just a dick move through and through. Stop it. And then there's this: "I'm not aware that the previous version of Final Cut Pro has stopped working, or that anyone has been forced to upgrade to FCPX. Nor am I aware that the new UI for editing, which naturally involves a new workflow, makes it impossible for people to adapt to it, or prevents them from sticking with their previous version." Translation: "I'm not aware of any of the specific problems that have been discussed extensively and in great detail, nor do I understand how any of this works in practice meaning none of the conversations I glanced at made much sense to me anyway, so in truth, I have absolutely no idea what's really going on." And yet you've got no problem insulting people who are very familiar with the problems by saying they they are just "doing things by rote" and "simply don't want to learn." Again, total dick moves. If you have any genuine interest in this, and would like to stop coming across like a complete ignoramus, start by learning more about XML. This really is lynchpin stuff, and if you can appreciate why that it is so important to high-end professional workflows (i.e. on shows with budgets in the tens to hundreds of millions), you may begin to understand what the issues are really about. I promise you, a new UI is the very least of it.

nirvana 15y ago
So far you've called me a moron, a nitwit, an idiot, and now asshole, dick and "a complete ignoramus". I really do just wish you'd address my points honestly, rather than spend your time characterizing me. One of the reasons I reached the conclusion I did about those complaining about FCP X is both their lack of knowledge about the product, but also their almost compulsive need to insult the people they disagree with. The only reason I used the word professional in the first place is that those who bashed the product constantly claimed they were professional and that it wasn't professional. Thus they are using an arbitrary definition of professional, one I disagree with, and thus when I refer to it, the quotes are absolutely correct. But, rather than address my point, you used this as an example to pretend like I was saying something else entirely. Even if I had, it doesn't justify the name calling.
- alexqgb 15y ago
  It's hard to address your points directly when they reflect a near-total ignorance of the actual situation. I'm sorry, but "idiot" is really the best that I can do. And if you honestly think people who have spent literally decades working day-in-day-out as editors and post producers on major network and studio projects still have a debatable status as "professionals" then "idiot" is actually being kind.