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There's something like a downward spiral into hell that is opiates which starts with low doses like what you're on and escalates into worse and worse bullshit b

There's something like a downward spiral into hell that is opiates which starts with low doses like what you're on and escalates into worse and worse bullshit because you're not even trying to treat the underlying inflammation before masking the pain with opiates, and then the movement the pain is trying to prevent you from doing happens anyways and you just end up with more damage. I'm telling you these alternatives because I know many more people than the ones I just told you about who are just fucking dead now. Opiates are fucked.

zabzonk 4y ago
believe me, i know all about pain, from experience. cannabis derived products are not going to do anything, and i have no idea what you were going on about with tumeric. the only real actual pain-killers are opioids.
- agentgumshoe 4y ago
  Is that so? You haven't tried cannibis derived products or you would have said "did not do anything.". But ok sell the opioids.
  - zabzonk 4y ago
    believe me, i have used lots of cannabis products, and i am not selling anything
- ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
  Arthritic pain can be treated by things other than pain killers, such as compounds with anti-inflammatory properties. That'd be the logic for turmeric I assume, in that same vein you have everything containing rosemarinic acid (Spearmint, oregano, rosemary).
- yamazakiwi 4y ago
  You say only but I would say alcohol is decent at pain reduction in a lot of cases.
  - mharig 4y ago
    Ethanol seems to be an anti-inflammatory drug: https://heart.bmj.com/content/90/4/355 https://heart.bmj.com/content/90/4/355
DoreenMichele 4y ago
They did not ask for health advice from random internet strangers. Trying to bully someone into following medical advice they didn't ask for is not cool.
- archerx 4y ago
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  - zabzonk 4y ago
    > how dare the other guy suggest alternatives that do not work
    - alkori 4y ago
      So I guess all that research from respected institutions like John Hopkins is just made up? Can you show me a peer reviewed study that would prove otherwise?
      - DoreenMichele 4y ago
        I took it to mean "it doesn't work for me". If so, no peer reviewed study is required to back that up.
    - archerx 4y ago
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      - mrguyorama 4y ago
        You get that there are a world of treatment options for chronic pain between "Mainline heroin most days" and "Take lots of CBD", right?
  - seattle_spring 4y ago
    You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Please stay in your lane
seattle_spring 4y ago
"just try weed bro" is the absolute worst most condescending advice you can give to someone suffering from chronic pain who didn't ask for advice. Do you really, really think someone just "went to opiates" before trying absolutely everything to identify and treat the underlying cause?
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- archerx 4y ago
  CBD is not equal to THC, its not psychoactive at all. So no it is not “just try weed bro” and the fact you are so confident about something you know nothing about is quite shocking to be honest. Also opiates are over prescribed for many things they shouldn’t be, so yes a lot of doctor “just went to opiates” and it is literally ruining lives. P.S. the only condescending person in this thread is you.
  - Shomon 4y ago
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- nicoburns 4y ago
  > Do you really, really think someone just "went to opiates" before trying absolutely everything to identify and treat the underlying cause? Given that doctors regularly prescribe opiates and pretty much never prescribe cannabis that would seem highly plausible.
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  Depends on the medical system in whoever's country It's really different depending on where you are Also I think "weed" and "large doses of CBD" are really different things
s5300 4y ago
>>I'm telling you these alternatives because I know many more people than the ones I just told you about who are just fucking dead now. Opiates are fucked. Please don’t project the irresponsibility of others onto those with self control, especially those with chronic conditions that induce extreme, long lasting, & completely debilitating pain.
bleep_bloop 4y ago
Opiod abuse is no joke and they are about as addictive as prescription drugs get, and yet the abuse rate is something like 50% in developed Western countries (Abuse ranging from taking them slightly longer than you're supposed to, to taking more than your prescribed dose all the way to crushing and injecting). There are many millions of people who take opiods and don't get addicted or abuse them in any negatively impactful way. Your comment is based on a personal bias and in no way based on medical fact. There are many types of pain that only opiods can treat. We absolutely need more options that are as powerful and less addictive. The mechanism for addiction is well understood, but what we don't understand is why some people can take opiods, even extremely powerful ones and don't become drug fiends. I am sitting here with two 250ml bottles of Morphine next to my bed, there is nothing stopping me from drinking it all. I know how it makes me feel, I know it eases my depression, removes my pain, clears my mind and calms my anxiety, I have restful sleep when I take it right before bed and yet I have never taken it when I didn't need to, never increased the dose, in fact I often take a lower dose than prescribed and sometimes don't take it as scheduled and subject myself to some of the pain until it reaches a point where I require relief, my goal is not to completely escape all pain, all the time, I like to remind myself that i am in control and that I'm not afraid of the pain and that experiencing 'some' pain is not a bad thing. However, I have seen all the documentaries and dramatisations and accounts of people who do the complete opposite. Perhaps it's because I have taken Ritalin for most of my life and am used to the sensations of cravings, perhaps it's because I don't drink alcohol and don't smoke, I do not have any addictive tendencies whatsoever (unless we're talking about chocolate!), maybe it's genetics, maybe it's socioeconomic, but for sure, for me in any case opioids have vastly and dramatically improved my quality of life and I'm grateful that we have such drugs available. Obviously there is work to be done on education, monitoring and support. I wonder if the opioid crisis is so bad in the US because of the private system and lack of coordinated care between specialists and clinics as well as lax pharmacy monitoring.

zabzonk 4y ago

believe me, i know all about pain, from experience. cannabis derived products are not going to do anything, and i have no idea what you were going on about with tumeric. the only real actual pain-killers are opioids.

agentgumshoe 4y ago
Is that so? You haven't tried cannibis derived products or you would have said "did not do anything.". But ok sell the opioids.
- zabzonk 4y ago
  believe me, i have used lots of cannabis products, and i am not selling anything
ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
Arthritic pain can be treated by things other than pain killers, such as compounds with anti-inflammatory properties. That'd be the logic for turmeric I assume, in that same vein you have everything containing rosemarinic acid (Spearmint, oregano, rosemary).
yamazakiwi 4y ago
You say only but I would say alcohol is decent at pain reduction in a lot of cases.
- mharig 4y ago
  Ethanol seems to be an anti-inflammatory drug: https://heart.bmj.com/content/90/4/355 https://heart.bmj.com/content/90/4/355

DoreenMichele 4y ago

They did not ask for health advice from random internet strangers. Trying to bully someone into following medical advice they didn't ask for is not cool.

archerx 4y ago
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- zabzonk 4y ago
  > how dare the other guy suggest alternatives that do not work
  - alkori 4y ago
    So I guess all that research from respected institutions like John Hopkins is just made up? Can you show me a peer reviewed study that would prove otherwise?
    - DoreenMichele 4y ago
      I took it to mean "it doesn't work for me". If so, no peer reviewed study is required to back that up.
  - archerx 4y ago
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    - mrguyorama 4y ago
      You get that there are a world of treatment options for chronic pain between "Mainline heroin most days" and "Take lots of CBD", right?
- seattle_spring 4y ago
  You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Please stay in your lane

seattle_spring 4y ago

"just try weed bro" is the absolute worst most condescending advice you can give to someone suffering from chronic pain who didn't ask for advice. Do you really, really think someone just "went to opiates" before trying absolutely everything to identify and treat the underlying cause?

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archerx 4y ago
CBD is not equal to THC, its not psychoactive at all. So no it is not “just try weed bro” and the fact you are so confident about something you know nothing about is quite shocking to be honest. Also opiates are over prescribed for many things they shouldn’t be, so yes a lot of doctor “just went to opiates” and it is literally ruining lives. P.S. the only condescending person in this thread is you.
- Shomon 4y ago
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nicoburns 4y ago
> Do you really, really think someone just "went to opiates" before trying absolutely everything to identify and treat the underlying cause? Given that doctors regularly prescribe opiates and pretty much never prescribe cannabis that would seem highly plausible.
jamal-kumar 4y ago
Depends on the medical system in whoever's country It's really different depending on where you are Also I think "weed" and "large doses of CBD" are really different things

s5300 4y ago

>>I'm telling you these alternatives because I know many more people than the ones I just told you about who are just fucking dead now. Opiates are fucked. Please don’t project the irresponsibility of others onto those with self control, especially those with chronic conditions that induce extreme, long lasting, & completely debilitating pain.

bleep_bloop 4y ago

Opiod abuse is no joke and they are about as addictive as prescription drugs get, and yet the abuse rate is something like 50% in developed Western countries (Abuse ranging from taking them slightly longer than you're supposed to, to taking more than your prescribed dose all the way to crushing and injecting). There are many millions of people who take opiods and don't get addicted or abuse them in any negatively impactful way. Your comment is based on a personal bias and in no way based on medical fact. There are many types of pain that only opiods can treat. We absolutely need more options that are as powerful and less addictive. The mechanism for addiction is well understood, but what we don't understand is why some people can take opiods, even extremely powerful ones and don't become drug fiends. I am sitting here with two 250ml bottles of Morphine next to my bed, there is nothing stopping me from drinking it all. I know how it makes me feel, I know it eases my depression, removes my pain, clears my mind and calms my anxiety, I have restful sleep when I take it right before bed and yet I have never taken it when I didn't need to, never increased the dose, in fact I often take a lower dose than prescribed and sometimes don't take it as scheduled and subject myself to some of the pain until it reaches a point where I require relief, my goal is not to completely escape all pain, all the time, I like to remind myself that i am in control and that I'm not afraid of the pain and that experiencing 'some' pain is not a bad thing. However, I have seen all the documentaries and dramatisations and accounts of people who do the complete opposite. Perhaps it's because I have taken Ritalin for most of my life and am used to the sensations of cravings, perhaps it's because I don't drink alcohol and don't smoke, I do not have any addictive tendencies whatsoever (unless we're talking about chocolate!), maybe it's genetics, maybe it's socioeconomic, but for sure, for me in any case opioids have vastly and dramatically improved my quality of life and I'm grateful that we have such drugs available. Obviously there is work to be done on education, monitoring and support. I wonder if the opioid crisis is so bad in the US because of the private system and lack of coordinated care between specialists and clinics as well as lax pharmacy monitoring.