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annecdata: aspirin is pretty good as an anti-inflamitory and hence pain-killer. the reason i don't take it is that it irritates the stomach, and i have enough
by zabzonk 4y ago
annecdata:
aspirin is pretty good as an anti-inflamitory and hence pain-killer. the reason i don't take it is that it irritates the stomach, and i have enough issues with my insides as it is (irritable-bowel syndrome - not fun)
i currently use cocodamol (codeine and paracetomol) to control my arthritic pain, but it isn't doing so great. at the end of the day, if you really need pain control, you probably want a pure opioid of some kind. and yes, i do know that codeine is an opioid.
- jamal-kumar 4y agoI have a friend who has suffered from something known as juvenile idiopathic arthritis since he was still a teenager, and he doesn't function very well without pretty decent doses of CBD for the past long while I've known him. I recognize legality issues are prohibitive in many parts of the world but if this is an option to you I would suggest trying this or anything else that takes the actual inflammation down instead of dulling the pain. The other thing a friend of mine practicing general medicine who was working in a country where CBD wasn't legal yet used very large doses of carefully sourced curcumin - it's not something you want to eat tons of from the grocery store in many places as apparently there's a ton of contamination in the supply [1] but it's actually really easy to just grow tumeric and make sure you're getting it from a decent source in much of the world One thing may be about it, much like oregano, is that it might just naturally be a nice absorbent of heavy metals in the soil but the fact that people add stuff like lead or cadmium in there to improve color or weight is just terrifying. We need raman spectroscopes in every phone already. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5415259/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5415259/
- zabzonk 4y agothanks, but no thanks
- jamal-kumar 4y agoThere's something like a downward spiral into hell that is opiates which starts with low doses like what you're on and escalates into worse and worse bullshit because you're not even trying to treat the underlying inflammation before masking the pain with opiates, and then the movement the pain is trying to prevent you from doing happens anyways and you just end up with more damage. I'm telling you these alternatives because I know many more people than the ones I just told you about who are just fucking dead now. Opiates are fucked.
- zabzonk 4y agobelieve me, i know all about pain, from experience. cannabis derived products are not going to do anything, and i have no idea what you were going on about with tumeric. the only real actual pain-killers are opioids.
- agentgumshoe 4y agoIs that so? You haven't tried cannibis derived products or you would have said "did not do anything.". But ok sell the opioids.
- zabzonk 4y agobelieve me, i have used lots of cannabis products, and i am not selling anything
- ad404b8a372f2b9 4y agoArthritic pain can be treated by things other than pain killers, such as compounds with anti-inflammatory properties. That'd be the logic for turmeric I assume, in that same vein you have everything containing rosemarinic acid (Spearmint, oregano, rosemary).
- yamazakiwi 4y agoYou say only but I would say alcohol is decent at pain reduction in a lot of cases.
- mharig 4y agoEthanol seems to be an anti-inflammatory drug: https://heart.bmj.com/content/90/4/355 https://heart.bmj.com/content/90/4/355
- DoreenMichele 4y agoThey did not ask for health advice from random internet strangers. Trying to bully someone into following medical advice they didn't ask for is not cool.
- unwind 4y agoAccording to Wikipedia [1] there is no proven medical effect to curcumin (the yellow substance from turmeric): Laboratory and clinical research have not confirmed any medical use for curcumin. It is difficult to study because it is both unstable and poorly bioavailable. It is unlikely to produce useful leads for drug development. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curcumin#Stability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curcumin#Stability
- ad404b8a372f2b9 4y agoThere are no proven medical effects to many medicines that work wonderfully.
- dTal 4y agoThat's oxymoronic - if there are no proven medical effects, definitionally they do not work wonderfully.
- ad404b8a372f2b9 4y agoIt's not, proving a medical effect and having a medical effect are orthogonal concepts. The world doesn't wait on medical science to keep turning. A lot of medical recommendations are based on expert opinion, which means there is no proof of their effectiveness but there is a logical basis based on our current understanding of the human body. New studies come out every day proving the effect of certain herbs, extracts or therapies for certain pathologies, yet these therapies were known to work long before the studies came out. Even some synthetic drugs are approved without having been demonstrated to be effective at what they claim, for example osteoporosis drugs still haven't been proven to reduce fractures yet get prescribed every day for that very use.
- ifyoubuildit 4y agoExcept proven has a strict definition here that leaves out other possibilities. You could find some compound that reliably induces an effect in your own body, but has never been studied by anyone else. By the definition we're using here, that could be something thats working wonderfully but has no "proven" medical effects. Not saying this is advisable, only that pharma companies and their trials don't dictate reality.
- News-Dog 4y ago'list of Types of Arthritis' Arthritis Types : https://www.cdc.gov/arthritis/basics/types.html https://www.cdc.gov/arthritis/basics/types.html >Arthritis means inflammation or swelling of one or more joints. It describes more than * 100 conditions *, that affect the joints, tissues around the joint, and other connective tissues. Specific symptoms vary depending on the type of arthritis, but usually include joint pain and stiffness.
- natdempk 4y agoThanks for posting about the lead in tumeric issue. Never knew this was a thing, but it seems pretty widespread based on that study.
- glass3 4y agoIf you haven't seen it: >consumer451 3 months ago | next [–] >I was diagnosed with arthritis at a very young age. [...] >One day I learned about modifying my diet to avoid inflammation. I greatly limited, but did not entirely eliminate, tomatoes and potatoes in my diet. >[...] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34163231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34163231
- zabzonk 4y agounhappily, i was diagnosed with arthritis at quite an old age (60+) after happily eating tomatoes and tatties for all my life. i won't say what i think about advice like this.
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- imwillofficial 4y agoHave you found anything that works for you?
- glass3 4y agoThere are two kinds of arthritis and the age-related one shouldn't be linked with food.
- GordonS 4y ago> tatties for all my life. Hey, a fellow Scot? ;) Assuming so, something that might be worth considering is medical cannabis, which has been legal in the UK since 2018 - I mention it, as very few people are aware of this. Both THC oil and dried cannabis flower for vaping are available. I use it for chronic neuropathic and muscular pain, and it works amazingly well. Alternatively, as some others have mentioned, your body may not process codeine correctly (quite a few people can't), so you may wish to try co-dydramol, a mixture of paracetamol and dihydrocodeine. I personally found dihydrocodeine to work much better than codeine.
- zabzonk 4y ago
- consp 4y agoYou might be a poor codeine metaboliser. My mom and I both have this and need about twice the normally prescribed amount to have any workable effect. Always check with a medical professional before assuming you are since if it's the reverse you could easily od yourself due to rapid metabolisation of codeine to morphine.
- plugin-baby 4y agoDoubling your dose of cocodamol is a bad idea for the paracetamol too.
- fsiefken 4y agoKratom might be of use, a friend used it as an alternative to morphine at the last stage of her live. She was much less drowsy. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7309661/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7309661/
- robbiep 4y ago1 in 6 caucasians don't metabolise codeine to any useful form and therefore derive zero benefit from it. Opiates are never a good lifestyle option for chronic pain.
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- tpm 4y agoThere are other, even OTC, painkiller medications that might be worth trying. Diclofenac (Voltaren/Flector etc) or Metamizole (variously banned, prescription-only or OTC seemingly random around the world) for example, and then there some newer non-opioid painkillers maybe worth trying but those are mostly prescription only.