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> With my electrical costs in SF Bay Area, that cost was $94 per 1000 miles on a Tesla With the EV2-A rate plan [1] (which you should definitely use if you dri

by danans 4y ago

> With my electrical costs in SF Bay Area, that cost was $94 per 1000 miles on a Tesla With the EV2-A rate plan [1] (which you should definitely use if you drive an EV any significant amount), the 1000 miles cost much less if you limit charging to the off peak times. The Model Y gets 3.3-3.8 miles/kWh. Let's say 3.6 miles/kWh average. 1000 miles at 3.6 miles/kWh is 278kWh. Off-peak EV2-A rate: $0.26/kWh 278 kWh * $0.26/kWh ~= $72 The savings in operational energy cost for the Tesla will never pay for the difference in price, but the Model Y and Camry are fundamentally different cars in performance and functionality, so it's not really an apples to apples comparison. A more sensible comparison would be between a top-trim Camry XLE ($35000) and an entry-level trim VW ID.4 ($40000 - $7500 tax credit = $32500). But you have a point that there are very few inexpensive midsize EV sedans on the market right now. 1. https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-options/electric-vehicle-base-plan/electric-vehicle-base-plan.page https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-o...

vladgur 4y ago
EV-A rate is a non-starter because it pushes your electrical costs to between $0.46 and 0.57 per kWh between the hours of 3pm and midnight. Sure you can try to shift your laundry to the morning, but I suspect there would still be higher overall energy costs with EV-A especially if you have a family. The only way electric car would make sense with my rates is if I paid few thousands to install a second meter or paid tens of thousands to install solar. I bought a used low mileage 2020 Camry hybrid LE with 47+ mpg and front hip room(ie seat width) 4 inches wider than that of model y for $26000. Comparable mileage wise teslas model ys were being sold for about $47000. I searched through MYLR forums and Facebook groups and landed on reported 0.27-0.265 kWh/mi which is pretty close to your estimate of kWh per 1000mi. The biggest challenge for me was that I would not be able to arrive at $0.26 per kWh without further investments into my electrical infrastructure which would further reduce the cost savings from going electric. Tesla MYLR while being better at acceleration is ultimately not a model s - it’s a family car like a Camry. There are some benefits to it being electric or a hatchback but they did not justify an upfront cost and a fairly negligible cost of driving reduction. Note: this could be a CA issue as I’m aware that our energy costs are easily 3 times of some other states PS I was specifically seeking out LE trims on Camry because they offer 5mpg advantage over more expensive trims

by danans 4y ago

vladgur 4y ago

EV-A rate is a non-starter because it pushes your electrical costs to between $0.46 and 0.57 per kWh between the hours of 3pm and midnight. Sure you can try to shift your laundry to the morning, but I suspect there would still be higher overall energy costs with EV-A especially if you have a family. The only way electric car would make sense with my rates is if I paid few thousands to install a second meter or paid tens of thousands to install solar. I bought a used low mileage 2020 Camry hybrid LE with 47+ mpg and front hip room(ie seat width) 4 inches wider than that of model y for $26000. Comparable mileage wise teslas model ys were being sold for about $47000. I searched through MYLR forums and Facebook groups and landed on reported 0.27-0.265 kWh/mi which is pretty close to your estimate of kWh per 1000mi. The biggest challenge for me was that I would not be able to arrive at $0.26 per kWh without further investments into my electrical infrastructure which would further reduce the cost savings from going electric. Tesla MYLR while being better at acceleration is ultimately not a model s - it’s a family car like a Camry. There are some benefits to it being electric or a hatchback but they did not justify an upfront cost and a fairly negligible cost of driving reduction. Note: this could be a CA issue as I’m aware that our energy costs are easily 3 times of some other states PS I was specifically seeking out LE trims on Camry because they offer 5mpg advantage over more expensive trims