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New EVs have range longer than the vast majority of people need. A Hyundai Kona is 26.5k after tax credit and 258 miles on a charge. This car has a 64kWh batter

New EVs have range longer than the vast majority of people need. A Hyundai Kona is 26.5k after tax credit and 258 miles on a charge. This car has a 64kWh battery. Most folks don't really need to go that far, or that often. I have a gen1 Nissan Leaf that cost me less than 6k (good luck finding this deal now). From a 15A 120v circuit it charges at about 5 miles of range per hour. If I am driving in EcoSquidward mode I get about 4miles/kWh. I see 60 miles of range. If the bumper could automatically mate to a regular AC circuit like I charge with at home, you could charge whenever you park. The average speed in urban traffic is 12 mph. The thing I think is extremely wasteful is these huge battery packs that new cars are hauling around. My ancient leaf came with a 24kWh pack, that is enough for 32 ebikes (750 watt-hours).

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
The argument isn't really about whether EVs can fill the role played by ICE vehicles. It's about the fact that simply replacing ICE with EV (a) creates gigantic resource requirements (extraction, processing, production) (b) barely touches many of the more problematic aspects of the design of the USA (other places too). By contrast, shifting people (where possible/appropriate) towards transit and e-bikes might help address both of these issues.
- nerpderp82 4y ago
  I agree with this. Locking up resources inside a big heavy EV that gets "recycled" after 8-10 years is not sustainable. And cars are still cars, regardless of the method of locomotion, they impact the livability in largely the same ways. 750 watt-hours in an e-bike is a whole lot more efficient than 24 kilowatt-hours in my leaf (which was partly the point I was making). Newer cars are even worse.
prottog 4y ago
> A Hyundai Kona is 26.5k after tax credit Since the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, the Kona is no longer eligible for the tax credit, since its final assembly is not in the US. So it's more like $34k.

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago

The argument isn't really about whether EVs can fill the role played by ICE vehicles. It's about the fact that simply replacing ICE with EV (a) creates gigantic resource requirements (extraction, processing, production) (b) barely touches many of the more problematic aspects of the design of the USA (other places too). By contrast, shifting people (where possible/appropriate) towards transit and e-bikes might help address both of these issues.

nerpderp82 4y ago
I agree with this. Locking up resources inside a big heavy EV that gets "recycled" after 8-10 years is not sustainable. And cars are still cars, regardless of the method of locomotion, they impact the livability in largely the same ways. 750 watt-hours in an e-bike is a whole lot more efficient than 24 kilowatt-hours in my leaf (which was partly the point I was making). Newer cars are even worse.

prottog 4y ago

> A Hyundai Kona is 26.5k after tax credit Since the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, the Kona is no longer eligible for the tax credit, since its final assembly is not in the US. So it's more like $34k.