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I'm disappointed with the hand-waving dismissal of "why should we pay someone tens of thousands of dollars to do it?" The list immediately after that of some o

I'm disappointed with the hand-waving dismissal of "why should we pay someone tens of thousands of dollars to do it?" The list immediately after that of some of the headaches that getting e-mail delivered entails (monitoring and responding to blacklists, various configuration, feedback loops, etc.) is a very good argument for paying somebody to learn and handle the details. I don't see a convincing argument that getting 1% better delivery is worth spending time on instead of doing something else; indeed, they make the argument that improving validation and reporting on the app side is a much better use of time than fighting for that extra 1% on delivery.

wlll 15y ago
"why should we pay someone tens of thousands of dollars to do it?" Because it costs us less and we have better deliverability. Also, 1% of 50 million emails a month is a lot of undelivered mail.
- jonknee 15y ago
  Do you have better deliverability though? You said you use Campaign Monitor for newsletters and those are a different type of mail than transactional emails from an application (much more likely to be flagged as spam too!). Seems like two different things and would be hard to compare. Campaign Monitor isn't what you'd use for your apps, you want something like SendGrid.
  - getsat 15y ago
    Sendgrid + their whitelabel stuff (SPF/DKIM) = better than 99% delivery for over 100k emails/day. SG is probably the most pleasant email-related experience I've ever had.
    - potyl 15y ago
      We use SendGrid too at my company. It's really great and easy. Integrating with their SMTP server is really simple.
  - timfalls 15y ago
    thanks to @getsat and @potyl for providing some insight to their experience with SendGrid. we appreciate the testimonials! the discussion around managing email in-house vs. paying a 3rd party to do it for you, is of significant complexity, as is evidenced by the length of the original 37sig post and this comment thread. i think it's important for each and every company to evaluate their own unique situation - the needs of their product, the resources at their disposal, the role email plays in their overall business model, their relative experience/expertise in email vs. other elements of the customer experience they are building, the maturity of the company/product, etc. it would be very unwise to make a decision on this type of matter, based solely (or predominately) on factors like "successful company X does it this way", or "successful company Y does it that way." every company is different, and they often face this specific decision at different junctures in their life cycle. the most useful lesson that can be gleaned from this conversation (which i've really enjoyed following), is this: as a business leader, entrepreneur, developer, etc, you have options! if you want to do it yourself, it's possible -- if 37signals can do it, so can you. but if you don't want to do it yourself, or aren't confident in your ability (for whatever reason), then there are several awesome companies out there to choose from, each of which has its own strengths and weaknesses, which puts you in the position to select the most ideal solution for your unique circumstances. that's all :)
JS_startup 15y ago
Agreed. Only at a huge scale is a custom made e-mail solution time or cost effective. Obviously the blog post was only talking about how effective it is for 37signals, but I fear many young startups will misinterpret it and waste a ton of time rolling their own mass e-mail solution.

wlll 15y ago

"why should we pay someone tens of thousands of dollars to do it?" Because it costs us less and we have better deliverability. Also, 1% of 50 million emails a month is a lot of undelivered mail.

jonknee 15y ago
Do you have better deliverability though? You said you use Campaign Monitor for newsletters and those are a different type of mail than transactional emails from an application (much more likely to be flagged as spam too!). Seems like two different things and would be hard to compare. Campaign Monitor isn't what you'd use for your apps, you want something like SendGrid.
- getsat 15y ago
  Sendgrid + their whitelabel stuff (SPF/DKIM) = better than 99% delivery for over 100k emails/day. SG is probably the most pleasant email-related experience I've ever had.
  - potyl 15y ago
    We use SendGrid too at my company. It's really great and easy. Integrating with their SMTP server is really simple.
- timfalls 15y ago
  thanks to @getsat and @potyl for providing some insight to their experience with SendGrid. we appreciate the testimonials! the discussion around managing email in-house vs. paying a 3rd party to do it for you, is of significant complexity, as is evidenced by the length of the original 37sig post and this comment thread. i think it's important for each and every company to evaluate their own unique situation - the needs of their product, the resources at their disposal, the role email plays in their overall business model, their relative experience/expertise in email vs. other elements of the customer experience they are building, the maturity of the company/product, etc. it would be very unwise to make a decision on this type of matter, based solely (or predominately) on factors like "successful company X does it this way", or "successful company Y does it that way." every company is different, and they often face this specific decision at different junctures in their life cycle. the most useful lesson that can be gleaned from this conversation (which i've really enjoyed following), is this: as a business leader, entrepreneur, developer, etc, you have options! if you want to do it yourself, it's possible -- if 37signals can do it, so can you. but if you don't want to do it yourself, or aren't confident in your ability (for whatever reason), then there are several awesome companies out there to choose from, each of which has its own strengths and weaknesses, which puts you in the position to select the most ideal solution for your unique circumstances. that's all :)

JS_startup 15y ago

Agreed. Only at a huge scale is a custom made e-mail solution time or cost effective. Obviously the blog post was only talking about how effective it is for 37signals, but I fear many young startups will misinterpret it and waste a ton of time rolling their own mass e-mail solution.