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Whether or not they're easier to solve, we haven't spent that much time trying to solve them yet. Compare that to fossil fuels, which have had billions of doll

by smt88 4y ago

Whether or not they're easier to solve, we haven't spent that much time trying to solve them yet. Compare that to fossil fuels, which have had billions of dollars of research poured into them. We know what the cheapest forms of harm reduction are for fossil fuels, and they're not cheap enough even for the budgets of multiple nations.

thoughtstheseus 4y ago
Lots of players are active in the battery recycling space. Tesla’s former CTO, J. B. Straubel, departed to start redwood materials in 2017 as one example. Until recently it has not been much of a problem. I suspect hybrids will be the interim solutions until we get to scale with battery recycling.
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  Is not just cars. Consider the disposable vaping pen. Those things need to be banned.
  - smt88 4y ago
    Unless I'm misunderstanding the units here, a Tesla Model 3 has a battery that holds 230 Ah, whereas a vape pen is closer to 280 mAh. So each electric car is going to have somewhere in range of 1,000 disposable vape pens. That doesn't change the fact that disposable vape pens should be banned, but it's an interesting data point in the recycling discussion.
- jleyank 4y ago
  They will probably be the interim solution until the charger and power networks are up and going. Some of us have longer-haul driving in our repertoire, and carrying a charger beats the wait for (limited) charging stations. Or, perhaps, when the people we visit lack charging. It's also (still) bloody hard to carry a bucket of electrons to get a stuck car going - we'll need portable power units to clear, say, highway mass fender-benders.
  - maxerickson 4y ago
    Yes, but it's a matter of making them more than anything else. The F150 can charge other vehicles: https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2021/12/21/vehicle-to-vehicle-charging.html https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2021... Throw a bus battery or a generator on a trailer and as long as the vehicles aren't too damaged to operate you can make quick enough progress clearing things out.

by smt88 4y ago

thoughtstheseus 4y ago

Lots of players are active in the battery recycling space. Tesla’s former CTO, J. B. Straubel, departed to start redwood materials in 2017 as one example. Until recently it has not been much of a problem. I suspect hybrids will be the interim solutions until we get to scale with battery recycling.

2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
Is not just cars. Consider the disposable vaping pen. Those things need to be banned.
- smt88 4y ago
  Unless I'm misunderstanding the units here, a Tesla Model 3 has a battery that holds 230 Ah, whereas a vape pen is closer to 280 mAh. So each electric car is going to have somewhere in range of 1,000 disposable vape pens. That doesn't change the fact that disposable vape pens should be banned, but it's an interesting data point in the recycling discussion.
jleyank 4y ago
They will probably be the interim solution until the charger and power networks are up and going. Some of us have longer-haul driving in our repertoire, and carrying a charger beats the wait for (limited) charging stations. Or, perhaps, when the people we visit lack charging. It's also (still) bloody hard to carry a bucket of electrons to get a stuck car going - we'll need portable power units to clear, say, highway mass fender-benders.
- maxerickson 4y ago
  Yes, but it's a matter of making them more than anything else. The F150 can charge other vehicles: https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2021/12/21/vehicle-to-vehicle-charging.html https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2021... Throw a bus battery or a generator on a trailer and as long as the vehicles aren't too damaged to operate you can make quick enough progress clearing things out.