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carlosjobim 4y ago
OK, I dare you to support replacement immigration / colonization against any native people who are not Europeans. The world agreed that it was a horrible thing when it was done against American natives, against Aboriginals and against other people. Why do so many cheer on doing the same thing against European natives? Slavers used to defend the trans-Atlantic trafficking with the argument that the American natives were too few, didn't produce enough and didn't breed enough. I hear a lot of similar arguments being used against native European peoples today. Should we always repeat history?
- oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
  Allowing immigration is a long way short of the dystopian scenario painted by the racism of the replacement theory. Iceland willingly calling for people to move there is nothing like the European colonization of the Americas.
  - carlosjobim 4y ago
    The commenter I responded to literally called for replacement. It is a down right evil policy, responsible for an immense amount of suffering and loss throughout the world. But of course it has been a favorite of various rulers - and they've always had some clergy handy to drum up support for the cause.
- jamilton 4y ago
  It was the killing people and colonization that was bad. A country letting people move there is not either of those things, that is a terrible argument. No one is saying "Let's force Iceland at gunpoint to let everyone in". Every country having open borders would be cool though.
  - School-Cotton 4y ago
    If every country had open borders then in a few generations every country would be essentially culturally identical (and English-speaking), massively reducing the cultural diversity and vibrancy of the human race as a whole.
    - jamilton 4y ago
      I doubt "vibrancy" would be lower. And there are major cultural differences within countries, including countries that have existed for a very long time. I agree that cultures would merge more, but that is not a bad thing. The same thing is going to happen over a longer time scale with closed borders anyway.
School-Cotton 4y ago
People have the right to want to preserve their culture rather than becoming globalized. The US has chosen the path of being a melting pot and that is great for us but Icelanders have every right not to make the same decision if they don’t want to.

bigoted take

OK, I dare you to support replacement immigration / colonization against any native people who are not Europeans. The world agreed that it was a horrible thing when it was done against American natives, against Aboriginals and against other people. Why do so many cheer on doing the same thing against European natives? Slavers used to defend the trans-Atlantic trafficking with the argument that the American natives were too few, didn't produce enough and didn't breed enough. I hear a lot of similar arguments being used against native European peoples today. Should we always repeat history?

oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
Allowing immigration is a long way short of the dystopian scenario painted by the racism of the replacement theory. Iceland willingly calling for people to move there is nothing like the European colonization of the Americas.
- carlosjobim 4y ago
  The commenter I responded to literally called for replacement. It is a down right evil policy, responsible for an immense amount of suffering and loss throughout the world. But of course it has been a favorite of various rulers - and they've always had some clergy handy to drum up support for the cause.
jamilton 4y ago
It was the killing people and colonization that was bad. A country letting people move there is not either of those things, that is a terrible argument. No one is saying "Let's force Iceland at gunpoint to let everyone in". Every country having open borders would be cool though.
- School-Cotton 4y ago
  If every country had open borders then in a few generations every country would be essentially culturally identical (and English-speaking), massively reducing the cultural diversity and vibrancy of the human race as a whole.
  - jamilton 4y ago
    I doubt "vibrancy" would be lower. And there are major cultural differences within countries, including countries that have existed for a very long time. I agree that cultures would merge more, but that is not a bad thing. The same thing is going to happen over a longer time scale with closed borders anyway.

School-Cotton 4y ago

People have the right to want to preserve their culture rather than becoming globalized. The US has chosen the path of being a melting pot and that is great for us but Icelanders have every right not to make the same decision if they don’t want to.