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So do you agree that nations should be able to freely develop/discover nuclear production? Edit: We actually don't want people to develop something "too good".

So do you agree that nations should be able to freely develop/discover nuclear production? Edit: We actually don't want people to develop something "too good". There are some things in the past century that have been "too good". Plastics are too good. So are nuclear weapons. Completely powerful AIs and machines that can displace jobs of millions of people are too good. If there's an AI tomorrow that can replace every single physical job out there, what do you think will happen? Riot and chaos in the street after about 1-2 years. Edit2: People will always go back to "we will just create different jobs". But do you really think that everyone is capable of skilled job? Remember, no physical jobs anymore.

iamerroragent 4y ago
I mean technically they are. Other nations with more advanced abilities also seem able to freely attempt to prevent them from doing so though.
- kajaktum 4y ago
  > Other nations with more advanced abilities also seem able to freely attempt to prevent them from doing so though. So how is this any different? Other group of people with more connection to the government can enforce a law to prevent others from displacing their jobs?
zirgs 4y ago
They already have nukes. If a dirt poor country like North Korea can develop them then so can pretty much everyone else.
- ethanbond 4y ago
  Is this an argument that international moratoriums can be highly effective even for high-value technology development?
  - zirgs 4y ago
    No, they aren't effective, because NK, India, Israel and Pakistan developed their nukes despite treaties like the NPT.
JohnFen 4y ago
> If there's an AI tomorrow that can replace every single physical job out there, what do you think will happen? Riot and chaos in the street after about 1-2 years. I don't think you even need to replace every physical job out there for that to be the result. I think all the ingredients needed exist right now, and I'm worried that unless the discourse about LLMs changes significantly, the perceived threat of them is enough to bring those riots and chaos.
dougmwne 4y ago
Sure, the powerful countries all have them, which cancels out their threat. Should the US not develop this tech and let the Chinese be the sole AI superpower?

iamerroragent 4y ago

I mean technically they are. Other nations with more advanced abilities also seem able to freely attempt to prevent them from doing so though.

kajaktum 4y ago
> Other nations with more advanced abilities also seem able to freely attempt to prevent them from doing so though. So how is this any different? Other group of people with more connection to the government can enforce a law to prevent others from displacing their jobs?

zirgs 4y ago

They already have nukes. If a dirt poor country like North Korea can develop them then so can pretty much everyone else.

ethanbond 4y ago
Is this an argument that international moratoriums can be highly effective even for high-value technology development?
- zirgs 4y ago
  No, they aren't effective, because NK, India, Israel and Pakistan developed their nukes despite treaties like the NPT.

JohnFen 4y ago

> If there's an AI tomorrow that can replace every single physical job out there, what do you think will happen? Riot and chaos in the street after about 1-2 years. I don't think you even need to replace every physical job out there for that to be the result. I think all the ingredients needed exist right now, and I'm worried that unless the discourse about LLMs changes significantly, the perceived threat of them is enough to bring those riots and chaos.

dougmwne 4y ago

Sure, the powerful countries all have them, which cancels out their threat. Should the US not develop this tech and let the Chinese be the sole AI superpower?