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> Staff complained, and management (to their credit) wanted to address the concerns. So where do they go? To talks like this, etc. Honestly this sounds apocryp

> Staff complained, and management (to their credit) wanted to address the concerns. So where do they go? To talks like this, etc. Honestly this sounds apocryphal. What is the type of racist that accidentally doesn't promote any black people? Furthermore, what is the subset of those racists that simply stop once they get lectured about their obviously racist practices? If they're promoting the wrong people (ie the ones that don't do the job the best) they get fired.

rayiner 4y ago
Lots of stories like this. Read some federal employment discrimination cases—the judicial opinions give lots of detailed facts. Lots of not very bright racists in supervisory roles. That said, the anti-racism training classes actually make that sort of racism worse: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/opinion/dei-trainings-effective.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/opinion/dei-trainings-eff...
desert_rue 4y ago
Define “doing the job the best”. There could be barriers like credentials that some groups may have at a lower rate. A hiring manager sees one candidate with a college degree and another without, and chooses the one with, because that is what is “best”.
fineIllregister 4y ago
> What is the type of racist that accidentally doesn't promote any black people? Have you not heard the term "implicit bias"? > Furthermore, what is the subset of those racists that simply stop once they get lectured about their obviously racist practices? The ones operating in a high-turnover field trying to retain their threadbare staff. Part of it was also that there had been some new additions to the management team, and part of it was the national conversation around racism that just made people more aware of it and provided the conceptual framework to understand what was happening. > If they're promoting the wrong people (ie the ones that don't do the job the best) they get fired. I can't come up with a polite way to tell you how naive this is.

rayiner 4y ago

Lots of stories like this. Read some federal employment discrimination cases—the judicial opinions give lots of detailed facts. Lots of not very bright racists in supervisory roles. That said, the anti-racism training classes actually make that sort of racism worse: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/opinion/dei-trainings-effective.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/opinion/dei-trainings-eff...

desert_rue 4y ago

Define “doing the job the best”. There could be barriers like credentials that some groups may have at a lower rate. A hiring manager sees one candidate with a college degree and another without, and chooses the one with, because that is what is “best”.

fineIllregister 4y ago

> What is the type of racist that accidentally doesn't promote any black people? Have you not heard the term "implicit bias"? > Furthermore, what is the subset of those racists that simply stop once they get lectured about their obviously racist practices? The ones operating in a high-turnover field trying to retain their threadbare staff. Part of it was also that there had been some new additions to the management team, and part of it was the national conversation around racism that just made people more aware of it and provided the conceptual framework to understand what was happening. > If they're promoting the wrong people (ie the ones that don't do the job the best) they get fired. I can't come up with a polite way to tell you how naive this is.