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1) I understand that the CCP bans sites and apps. Let's not sink to their level. (Instead, let's build more and more technologies to enable their people to get

by breck 4y ago

1) I understand that the CCP bans sites and apps. Let's not sink to their level. (Instead, let's build more and more technologies to enable their people to get around said bans). 2) This is embarrassing. You don't like TikTok? Man up and compete. Don't ban it. 3) The complexity in this bills makes it reak of corruption. There will be winners and losers in this bill. The losers we can bet are 99% of the population.

whythre 4y ago
I am fine with banning what is, effectively, a Chinese psyop marketed as a social media app. I don’t really think we should be competing to make the most addictive doomscroller possible. However, I do agree about point 3, wholeheartedly. This makes it seem like envy, where our government is salivating at the prospect of doing this themselves under the guise of protecting us from foreign powers.
- ramenmeal 4y ago
  > a Chinese psyop marketed as a social media app Do you personally use tiktok?
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  > I am fine with banning what is, effectively, a Chinese psyop marketed as a social media app. As a non-American, I would argue the last 70 years of Hollywood and social media has been a psyop by a foreign power. The DoD literally aids in the making of Hollywood movies as long as their ideological content is "correct"[1]. After all that it's pretty funny to see this kind of pearl clutching about "psyops" coming from American citizens. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/how-hollywood-became-the-unofficial-propaganda-arm-of-the-u-s-military-1.5560575 https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/how-hollywood-became-the-unof...
silisili 4y ago
Re: 1 and 2, I'm not sure this is as tit-for-tat. China has a -lot- of business regulations unfair to outsiders that the US doesn't and hasn't retaliated much on, even if it puts us on uneven grounds so to speak. And it's not like TikTok is so advanced and the US can't compete so we're banning it. There are many apps from foreign countries which are popular and not banned. It's a fear, legitimate or not, about data access and data harvesting and potential device control to what's becoming a direct adversary. Re: 3, can't argue there.
CSSer 4y ago
Could you highlight any particular complexity you're referring to? I read this bill and, independent of my thoughts and feelings about it, I do not find it overly complex.
- breck 4y ago
  I believe law is like code: the number of bugs goes up with line count. Bugs are exploited by black hat lawyers. This bill is twice as long as the entire U.S. Constitution. A real principled stand against these adversaries would not be resorting to their levels with this "RESTRICT ACT" and giving more power and money to negative value add lawyes, but instead would be something like "FREEDOM ACT", where we invest in technologies and tactics that go against the Great Firewall and other methods used by these countries to keep American apps out.

by breck 4y ago

whythre 4y ago

I am fine with banning what is, effectively, a Chinese psyop marketed as a social media app. I don’t really think we should be competing to make the most addictive doomscroller possible. However, I do agree about point 3, wholeheartedly. This makes it seem like envy, where our government is salivating at the prospect of doing this themselves under the guise of protecting us from foreign powers.

ramenmeal 4y ago
> a Chinese psyop marketed as a social media app Do you personally use tiktok?
AlexandrB 4y ago
> I am fine with banning what is, effectively, a Chinese psyop marketed as a social media app. As a non-American, I would argue the last 70 years of Hollywood and social media has been a psyop by a foreign power. The DoD literally aids in the making of Hollywood movies as long as their ideological content is "correct"[1]. After all that it's pretty funny to see this kind of pearl clutching about "psyops" coming from American citizens. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/how-hollywood-became-the-unofficial-propaganda-arm-of-the-u-s-military-1.5560575 https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/how-hollywood-became-the-unof...

silisili 4y ago

Re: 1 and 2, I'm not sure this is as tit-for-tat. China has a -lot- of business regulations unfair to outsiders that the US doesn't and hasn't retaliated much on, even if it puts us on uneven grounds so to speak. And it's not like TikTok is so advanced and the US can't compete so we're banning it. There are many apps from foreign countries which are popular and not banned. It's a fear, legitimate or not, about data access and data harvesting and potential device control to what's becoming a direct adversary. Re: 3, can't argue there.

CSSer 4y ago

Could you highlight any particular complexity you're referring to? I read this bill and, independent of my thoughts and feelings about it, I do not find it overly complex.

breck 4y ago
I believe law is like code: the number of bugs goes up with line count. Bugs are exploited by black hat lawyers. This bill is twice as long as the entire U.S. Constitution. A real principled stand against these adversaries would not be resorting to their levels with this "RESTRICT ACT" and giving more power and money to negative value add lawyes, but instead would be something like "FREEDOM ACT", where we invest in technologies and tactics that go against the Great Firewall and other methods used by these countries to keep American apps out.