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The UK police seem to be doing a disturbing amount of policing around what people say online. I'm not sure if this is part of the anti immigration/brexit campa

by tpmx 4y ago

The UK police seem to be doing a disturbing amount of policing around what people say online. I'm not sure if this is part of the anti immigration/brexit campaign or not, but it certainly caused me to cancel my previous idea/fantasy of living in the UK, so good job there!

barrysteve 4y ago
It's the same country that did super-injunctions in the 2000s to great effect. "In English tort law, a super-injunction is a type of injunction that prevents publication of information that is in issue and also prevents the reporting of the fact that the injunction exists at all."
- quijoteuniv 4y ago
  Sounds like a dictatorship, hang on didn’t they remove the sport presenter because he voice that the asylum policy is a disaster
  - jonp888 4y ago
    They weren't used by the government. They were used by individuals to hide information about themselves - usually adultery. The BBC suspended Gary Lineker for a couple of day's. They were massively criticisdd and he is back on air now.
    - blitzar 4y ago
      The BBC suspended Gary Lineker for a couple of day's, at the behest of the government for voicing his opinion on government policy. They subsequently appologised and he is back on air now.
    - barrysteve 4y ago
      The US has effectively similar laws. They can silence whistleblowers and troublemakers with National Security laws. Ladar Levison suffered under one and couldn't even tell his wife that he was getting sued by the government for hosting an encrypted mail service that Snowden used.
  - okeuro49 4y ago
    The BBC is funded by the taxpayer, who rightfully expect impartiality from their presenters. The sports presenter's comments raised questions on impartiality rules. You can have any opinion you like, but if you're getting a large wage from an institution funded by the taxpayer, you can't use the platform like your own personal soapbox.
    - Cymrukicks 4y ago
      Except he didn't, he used his own personal twitter account. He is a contractor and there were a variety of previous presenters who did the same thing (eg. Alan Sugar vs Corbyn). Only they didn't criticise the government as Gary did and the BBC board is stacked with members of the Tory Party including the chair who arranged a finance for the previous Primeminister while applying for the role of Chair. It was a clear case of goverment interference using the impartiality rules, only the conversation around impartiality went right above Gary to the powers that be immediately after his removal which is why he is back.
      - okeuro49 4y ago
        > Except he didn't, he used his own personal twitter account. The BBC's impartiality rules cover this. > Personal Activity > Expressions of Opinion on Social Media > Where individuals identify themselves as being linked with the BBC, or are programme makers, editorial staff, reporters or presenters primarily associated with the BBC, their activities on social media have the potential to compromise the BBC’s impartiality and to damage its reputation. > Our audiences must be able to trust the integrity of BBC programmes and services and be confident that the outside activities of our presenters, programme makers and other staff do not undermine the BBC's impartiality or reputation or that their editorial decisions are not perceived to be influenced by any commercial or personal interests. > They should not: > state or reveal publicly how they vote or express support for any political party > express a view for or against any policy which is a matter of current party political debate
        cjrp 4y ago
        Read the introduction: > This guidance note is intended to help BBC staff operate appropriately in every aspect of their activities on social media He isn't BBC staff.
okeuro49 4y ago
No, it's not due to brexit and policies associated with the right, such as more controlled immigration. It's due to policies on the left, and the integration of those policies into institutions that should be neutral, such as the police force, as detailed by https://freespeechunion.org/ https://freespeechunion.org/
- arlort 4y ago
  "the left" hasn't been in power in the UK since 2010
  - okeuro49 4y ago
    The issue is that policies are being implemented into supposedly neutral institutions, bypassing the democratic process.
- cjrp 4y ago
  The notoriously left-wing police force, lol.
  - okeuro49 4y ago
    You're not familiar with the issues around this topic.
    - dang 4y ago
      Hey, can you please stop using HN primarily for political/ideological battle? We have to ban accounts that do that, regardless of what they're battling for or against. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

by tpmx 4y ago

barrysteve 4y ago

It's the same country that did super-injunctions in the 2000s to great effect. "In English tort law, a super-injunction is a type of injunction that prevents publication of information that is in issue and also prevents the reporting of the fact that the injunction exists at all."

quijoteuniv 4y ago
Sounds like a dictatorship, hang on didn’t they remove the sport presenter because he voice that the asylum policy is a disaster
- jonp888 4y ago
  They weren't used by the government. They were used by individuals to hide information about themselves - usually adultery. The BBC suspended Gary Lineker for a couple of day's. They were massively criticisdd and he is back on air now.
  - blitzar 4y ago
    The BBC suspended Gary Lineker for a couple of day's, at the behest of the government for voicing his opinion on government policy. They subsequently appologised and he is back on air now.
  - barrysteve 4y ago
    The US has effectively similar laws. They can silence whistleblowers and troublemakers with National Security laws. Ladar Levison suffered under one and couldn't even tell his wife that he was getting sued by the government for hosting an encrypted mail service that Snowden used.
- okeuro49 4y ago
  The BBC is funded by the taxpayer, who rightfully expect impartiality from their presenters. The sports presenter's comments raised questions on impartiality rules. You can have any opinion you like, but if you're getting a large wage from an institution funded by the taxpayer, you can't use the platform like your own personal soapbox.
  - Cymrukicks 4y ago
    Except he didn't, he used his own personal twitter account. He is a contractor and there were a variety of previous presenters who did the same thing (eg. Alan Sugar vs Corbyn). Only they didn't criticise the government as Gary did and the BBC board is stacked with members of the Tory Party including the chair who arranged a finance for the previous Primeminister while applying for the role of Chair. It was a clear case of goverment interference using the impartiality rules, only the conversation around impartiality went right above Gary to the powers that be immediately after his removal which is why he is back.
    - okeuro49 4y ago
      > Except he didn't, he used his own personal twitter account. The BBC's impartiality rules cover this. > Personal Activity > Expressions of Opinion on Social Media > Where individuals identify themselves as being linked with the BBC, or are programme makers, editorial staff, reporters or presenters primarily associated with the BBC, their activities on social media have the potential to compromise the BBC’s impartiality and to damage its reputation. > Our audiences must be able to trust the integrity of BBC programmes and services and be confident that the outside activities of our presenters, programme makers and other staff do not undermine the BBC's impartiality or reputation or that their editorial decisions are not perceived to be influenced by any commercial or personal interests. > They should not: > state or reveal publicly how they vote or express support for any political party > express a view for or against any policy which is a matter of current party political debate
      - cjrp 4y ago
        Read the introduction: > This guidance note is intended to help BBC staff operate appropriately in every aspect of their activities on social media He isn't BBC staff.

okeuro49 4y ago

No, it's not due to brexit and policies associated with the right, such as more controlled immigration. It's due to policies on the left, and the integration of those policies into institutions that should be neutral, such as the police force, as detailed by https://freespeechunion.org/ https://freespeechunion.org/

arlort 4y ago
"the left" hasn't been in power in the UK since 2010
- okeuro49 4y ago
  The issue is that policies are being implemented into supposedly neutral institutions, bypassing the democratic process.
cjrp 4y ago
The notoriously left-wing police force, lol.
- okeuro49 4y ago
  You're not familiar with the issues around this topic.
  - dang 4y ago
    Hey, can you please stop using HN primarily for political/ideological battle? We have to ban accounts that do that, regardless of what they're battling for or against. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.