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It also infuriates me that they won't let you actually say no. It's always "remind me later" or "skip for now" or "try again in 3 days". What has gotten into t

It also infuriates me that they won't let you actually say no. It's always "remind me later" or "skip for now" or "try again in 3 days". What has gotten into the minds of these people? Why do they think this is at all acceptable?

DANmode 4y ago
> Why do they think this is at all acceptable? You're still a Windows user, aren't you? (No judgement, just answering the question!)
- gary_0 4y ago
  Microsoft has 95% of the desktop OS market, they can abuse their users with impunity until that number starts to go down.
  - blibble 4y ago
    it's down into the 75% range now and is continuing to drop https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-share-of-windows-7/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-sha... (reminds me of the IE market share graph actually)
    - gary_0 4y ago
      I think that includes laptops, where macOS is very popular? For gaming, at least, Steam's stats show 96% Windows.
      - KronisLV 4y ago
        Here's the relevant Steam Hardware & Software Survey link: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey For convenience: Windows 96.37% OSX 2.37% Linux 1.27% Gaming wise, that's pretty dire. Proton is pretty nice on Linux, but still doesn't and probably never will support all of the titles that people might want to play. In addition, I doubt many companies out there want to test their game releases on multiple OSes and try to fix all of the bugs if they can even port the games, all for less than 4% increased profits.
        jitl 4y ago
        I am hoping Steam Deck will change the Linux calculus. I play a lot of games on Linux now because of my deck! Haven’t turned on the Windows machine in a year or so.
        ldxza 4y ago
        Already has if you count the unknown portion (which are unrecognized Linux distros). The Steam Deck is perhaps using some funky user agent that isn't recognized according to this: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide
        ldxza 4y ago
        I'm not just counting Steam's survey. This tells me more: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide And from the looks of things, Windows is on the decline. Linux and Mac are actually beginning to rise. Unknown are generally unknown Linux distros, and then there is ChromeOS and the recognized Linux distros. Together, that makes Linux about 13%
    - wolpoli 4y ago
      I recall that the IE market share graph behaves like a lagging indicator with significant momentum mass - alternative browsers were technically better and it took years for IE to bleed down the market share. Microsoft needs to be careful with Windows as losing market share is hard to stop/reverse.
    - mrits 4y ago
      Does that include pirated copies?
  - ldxza 4y ago
    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide According to that, Windows' world wide market share is now under 70%. It lost 6% in the past few months starting in December. A lot of this I find have to do with Valve pushing for Linux gaming. And there is also ChromeOS too (which is Linux). Then there is the unknown portion (which are mostly unrecognized Linux distros). That altogether makes Linux about 13%. Really, it's the end of an era were Windows is actually relevant for the majority of PC gaming. And with people hating Windows more these days, they are weighing their options from the looks of it.
- Fatnino 4y ago
  Well I'm not anymore. Didn't think I would ever leave windows, been using it since 3.1 but sometime in middle of windows 10 I finally got fed up and set up dual boot Linux and some months later found myself not having booted the windows side at all. My current laptop (second hand) doesn't have windows on it at all except the sticker that I should probably peel off. I haven't touched windows 11 at all beyond some idle poking of a display computer at Costco.
nikanj 4y ago
Their incentives are off. They get a bonus for implementing customer-hostile features, and don't lose anything if the users hate it.
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>"try again in 3 days" That prompt never comes back for me in 3 days though. Just at the next major OS update about every ~3 months.
Tommstein 4y ago
They assume you will take it and continue using Windows. They appear to have assumed correctly.
kenjackson 4y ago
An easily accessible option of “never” is probably more reckless. My MIL would always pick never and at the same time expect that her PC is fully protected. That said there should be a setting for savvy users or enterprises to disable updates.
- Zuiii 4y ago
  The ads typically shown this way rarely related to security. It's usually something that Microsoft wants the user to "agree" to. It's basically physiological coercion.
winternett 4y ago
Many apps have become user hostile in the past years, including social media and even our software-driven vehicles... It's a very stressful thing to deal with, and congress does nothing to stop it because they're too busy trading stock investment info for insider profit... We are not totally powerless though, hacking and warez are on the rise again, lots of people are declining updates, and even returning to older software versions, and nothing has ever stopped us from creating a good old-fashioned picket line in front of Microsoft HQ, or any other predatory software making company for that matter.
midoridensha 4y ago
I don't see why it's "not acceptable" at all. Why shouldn't they treat users this way? They can make more money with all these annoyances, and the people who hate it are just going to complain on internet forums and keep using Windows anyway. Seems like a good business strategy to me. Any time a business is in a position where they can abuse their customers endlessly and the customers will refuse to leave, it would be a breach of fiduciary duty not to abuse them for more profit.

DANmode 4y ago

> Why do they think this is at all acceptable? You're still a Windows user, aren't you? (No judgement, just answering the question!)

gary_0 4y ago
Microsoft has 95% of the desktop OS market, they can abuse their users with impunity until that number starts to go down.
- blibble 4y ago
  it's down into the 75% range now and is continuing to drop https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-share-of-windows-7/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-sha... (reminds me of the IE market share graph actually)
  - gary_0 4y ago
    I think that includes laptops, where macOS is very popular? For gaming, at least, Steam's stats show 96% Windows.
    - KronisLV 4y ago
      Here's the relevant Steam Hardware & Software Survey link: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey For convenience: Windows 96.37% OSX 2.37% Linux 1.27% Gaming wise, that's pretty dire. Proton is pretty nice on Linux, but still doesn't and probably never will support all of the titles that people might want to play. In addition, I doubt many companies out there want to test their game releases on multiple OSes and try to fix all of the bugs if they can even port the games, all for less than 4% increased profits.
      - jitl 4y ago
        I am hoping Steam Deck will change the Linux calculus. I play a lot of games on Linux now because of my deck! Haven’t turned on the Windows machine in a year or so.
        ldxza 4y ago
        Already has if you count the unknown portion (which are unrecognized Linux distros). The Steam Deck is perhaps using some funky user agent that isn't recognized according to this: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide
      - ldxza 4y ago
        I'm not just counting Steam's survey. This tells me more: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide And from the looks of things, Windows is on the decline. Linux and Mac are actually beginning to rise. Unknown are generally unknown Linux distros, and then there is ChromeOS and the recognized Linux distros. Together, that makes Linux about 13%
  - wolpoli 4y ago
    I recall that the IE market share graph behaves like a lagging indicator with significant momentum mass - alternative browsers were technically better and it took years for IE to bleed down the market share. Microsoft needs to be careful with Windows as losing market share is hard to stop/reverse.
  - mrits 4y ago
    Does that include pirated copies?
- ldxza 4y ago
  https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide According to that, Windows' world wide market share is now under 70%. It lost 6% in the past few months starting in December. A lot of this I find have to do with Valve pushing for Linux gaming. And there is also ChromeOS too (which is Linux). Then there is the unknown portion (which are mostly unrecognized Linux distros). That altogether makes Linux about 13%. Really, it's the end of an era were Windows is actually relevant for the majority of PC gaming. And with people hating Windows more these days, they are weighing their options from the looks of it.
Fatnino 4y ago
Well I'm not anymore. Didn't think I would ever leave windows, been using it since 3.1 but sometime in middle of windows 10 I finally got fed up and set up dual boot Linux and some months later found myself not having booted the windows side at all. My current laptop (second hand) doesn't have windows on it at all except the sticker that I should probably peel off. I haven't touched windows 11 at all beyond some idle poking of a display computer at Costco.

nikanj 4y ago

Their incentives are off. They get a bonus for implementing customer-hostile features, and don't lose anything if the users hate it.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>"try again in 3 days" That prompt never comes back for me in 3 days though. Just at the next major OS update about every ~3 months.

Tommstein 4y ago

They assume you will take it and continue using Windows. They appear to have assumed correctly.

kenjackson 4y ago

An easily accessible option of “never” is probably more reckless. My MIL would always pick never and at the same time expect that her PC is fully protected. That said there should be a setting for savvy users or enterprises to disable updates.

Zuiii 4y ago
The ads typically shown this way rarely related to security. It's usually something that Microsoft wants the user to "agree" to. It's basically physiological coercion.

winternett 4y ago

Many apps have become user hostile in the past years, including social media and even our software-driven vehicles... It's a very stressful thing to deal with, and congress does nothing to stop it because they're too busy trading stock investment info for insider profit... We are not totally powerless though, hacking and warez are on the rise again, lots of people are declining updates, and even returning to older software versions, and nothing has ever stopped us from creating a good old-fashioned picket line in front of Microsoft HQ, or any other predatory software making company for that matter.

midoridensha 4y ago

I don't see why it's "not acceptable" at all. Why shouldn't they treat users this way? They can make more money with all these annoyances, and the people who hate it are just going to complain on internet forums and keep using Windows anyway. Seems like a good business strategy to me. Any time a business is in a position where they can abuse their customers endlessly and the customers will refuse to leave, it would be a breach of fiduciary duty not to abuse them for more profit.