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i m not within that group -- very few people are within that group and the vast majority are unelected and unaccountable to us. I m not the only one complaining

by seydor 4y ago

i m not within that group -- very few people are within that group and the vast majority are unelected and unaccountable to us. I m not the only one complaining about the brussels bubble. dont try to shift the blame on us my experince with eurocracy is from projects i ve participated in

lwhi 4y ago
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- seydor 4y ago
  the EU is a political organization so , yes? having an opinion is allowed , but like i said there is no way to express it somehow. In fact i usually learn about EU regulations affecting my business from hacker news
  - hilios 4y ago
    The EU does public consultations, usually years in advance. If those regulations are affecting your business it might be worthwhile to check their site every once in a while.
    - mihaic 4y ago
      Do you know by first-hand experience if these public consultations actually make any difference? I once attended one from the local gov, and everything was already predetermined and the debate was just a dance.
      - hilios 4y ago
        The proposed laws usually change before they are adopted. I can not ascertain how much of an impact the public consultation has. It is online though so the barrier of entry is pretty low. And even if it's completely useless it is still a good way to stay informed if the changes might impact someones business.
- actually_a_dog 4y ago
  I don’t see any facts coming from you, either.
  - candiodari 4y ago
    That's because the premise the EU Commission (and you, by extension) you are defending is so utterly ridiculous that it doesn't really need argumenting that it's bad. The point the EU Commission is defending here is the need to spy on every word, every bit of interaction you have on the internet. You know, "to protect the children". I mean, if you truly think like this, how about you give me a live dump of you traffic, desktop, cell phone, ... everything, along with all encryption keys, passwords, etc. You know "so I can check you're not a pedophile". Because that's what this is about.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> are unelected and unaccountable to us Elected ones are so accountable - lets see 1. Iraq war - Tony Blair mislwd parliament, as cobcluded in official report, not held to account 2. 2008 - noone held to account 3. Brexit campaign broke electoral law - noone held to account 4 - Covid responce in UK involved handing out billions to political donors for PPE that did not meet legal requirements and so was burned. 5 - Trump... In fact I striggle to think of a recent disaster that was caused by a civil cervant or eurocrat

by seydor 4y ago

lwhi 4y ago

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seydor 4y ago
the EU is a political organization so , yes? having an opinion is allowed , but like i said there is no way to express it somehow. In fact i usually learn about EU regulations affecting my business from hacker news
- hilios 4y ago
  The EU does public consultations, usually years in advance. If those regulations are affecting your business it might be worthwhile to check their site every once in a while.
  - mihaic 4y ago
    Do you know by first-hand experience if these public consultations actually make any difference? I once attended one from the local gov, and everything was already predetermined and the debate was just a dance.
    - hilios 4y ago
      The proposed laws usually change before they are adopted. I can not ascertain how much of an impact the public consultation has. It is online though so the barrier of entry is pretty low. And even if it's completely useless it is still a good way to stay informed if the changes might impact someones business.
actually_a_dog 4y ago
I don’t see any facts coming from you, either.
- candiodari 4y ago
  That's because the premise the EU Commission (and you, by extension) you are defending is so utterly ridiculous that it doesn't really need argumenting that it's bad. The point the EU Commission is defending here is the need to spy on every word, every bit of interaction you have on the internet. You know, "to protect the children". I mean, if you truly think like this, how about you give me a live dump of you traffic, desktop, cell phone, ... everything, along with all encryption keys, passwords, etc. You know "so I can check you're not a pedophile". Because that's what this is about.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> are unelected and unaccountable to us Elected ones are so accountable - lets see 1. Iraq war - Tony Blair mislwd parliament, as cobcluded in official report, not held to account 2. 2008 - noone held to account 3. Brexit campaign broke electoral law - noone held to account 4 - Covid responce in UK involved handing out billions to political donors for PPE that did not meet legal requirements and so was burned. 5 - Trump... In fact I striggle to think of a recent disaster that was caused by a civil cervant or eurocrat