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>India is buying Russian gas There is no expectation that every country in the world cease buying Russian fuels, that's why the price cap was put in place. And

>India is buying Russian gas There is no expectation that every country in the world cease buying Russian fuels, that's why the price cap was put in place. And India is abiding the price cap. The hysteria about developing countries buying Russian oil/gas is mostly from the media, but so long as Russia is barely hitting breakeven prices then there is little reason for Western governments to care where India or others get their energy from. Europe is cutting their dependence because it was/is actively being used as a weapon against them.

rayiner 4y ago
Both India and China have rejected the price cap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_crude_oil_price_cap_sanctions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_crude_oil_price_c.... The price cap drove market prices lower, and India has continued to buy at market price. The reason the price cap was so high was because negotiations in mid-2022 revealed that developing nations wouldn’t go along.
- dralley 4y ago
  In practice, they are abiding the price cap, even if they haven't made any official statements stating such. https://archive.is/Pry3x https://archive.is/Pry3x
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    I mean... if they neither "defects" (leading, potentially, to lack of supply for the other) and bids higher, they're benefiting from cheap fuel, right? Seems like they still sorta win, the only cost of abiding is that if they raised their bids they might be able to buy more of their overall fuel consumption at a higher (but still below-the-rest-of-the-market) rate, probably amounting to little further savings (and maybe none—if all major buyers defect and offer to pay more, the price of Russian fuel would approach that on the rest of the market). They can secretly hand-shake with one another on sticking to the cap, and just not say so publicly, leaving their options open. Doesn't seem like much of a sacrifice on their part, they'd have to really want to give "the West" the middle finger to not abide by the cap, I'd think.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    Only because the EU set the price cap higher than India was already paying: https://www.opindia.com/2022/12/india-does-not-support-the-g7-imposed-price-cap-on-russian-oil-details/ https://www.opindia.com/2022/12/india-does-not-support-the-g... > Since Indian refiners are already getting Russian crude at $60 a barrel or below, there will hardly be a negative impact of the price cap on India India and China’s official position is still that they’re not abusing by the price cap. Obviously they’re not going to pay more than what they were paying just to violate the cap. Trying to spin this as a win for the EU is odd.

rayiner 4y ago

Both India and China have rejected the price cap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_crude_oil_price_cap_sanctions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_crude_oil_price_c.... The price cap drove market prices lower, and India has continued to buy at market price. The reason the price cap was so high was because negotiations in mid-2022 revealed that developing nations wouldn’t go along.

dralley 4y ago
In practice, they are abiding the price cap, even if they haven't made any official statements stating such. https://archive.is/Pry3x https://archive.is/Pry3x
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  I mean... if they neither "defects" (leading, potentially, to lack of supply for the other) and bids higher, they're benefiting from cheap fuel, right? Seems like they still sorta win, the only cost of abiding is that if they raised their bids they might be able to buy more of their overall fuel consumption at a higher (but still below-the-rest-of-the-market) rate, probably amounting to little further savings (and maybe none—if all major buyers defect and offer to pay more, the price of Russian fuel would approach that on the rest of the market). They can secretly hand-shake with one another on sticking to the cap, and just not say so publicly, leaving their options open. Doesn't seem like much of a sacrifice on their part, they'd have to really want to give "the West" the middle finger to not abide by the cap, I'd think.
- rayiner 4y ago
  Only because the EU set the price cap higher than India was already paying: https://www.opindia.com/2022/12/india-does-not-support-the-g7-imposed-price-cap-on-russian-oil-details/ https://www.opindia.com/2022/12/india-does-not-support-the-g... > Since Indian refiners are already getting Russian crude at $60 a barrel or below, there will hardly be a negative impact of the price cap on India India and China’s official position is still that they’re not abusing by the price cap. Obviously they’re not going to pay more than what they were paying just to violate the cap. Trying to spin this as a win for the EU is odd.