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>Huh? Its an actual organization with actual rules and actual institutions. Of course, the organization exists, it wasn't my point. > False. What is false?

>Huh? Its an actual organization with actual rules and actual institutions. Of course, the organization exists, it wasn't my point. > False. What is false? The UN votes? Recent example: UN resolution A/ES-11/L.7 ("Principles of the Charter of the United Nations underlying a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in Ukraine"). The only countries that voted against are Belarus, Eritrea, Mali, Nicaragua, North Korea, Russia and Syria. Brazil supported the resolution, while China, India and South Africa abstained. Lack of assistance? I haven't seen Russia using, say, Chinese missiles or tanks in Ukraine. They import weapons from Iran. It's odd, considering that China is a major arms exporter. >This feels like a lot of reality-denial. Or copium at best... What part is "reality denial"? Are you saying that India and China aren't having border skirmishes? South Africa is a healthy state? Brazil isn't a middle-income country?

mrguyorama 4y ago
Russia is absolutely using Chinese ammunition, though it might have come through a third party. There is photographic evidence of it.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  is there any evidence that the PRC is providing tanks or missiles to russia for their war on Ukraine? or even the aforementioned ammunition?
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    I am not able to find the image I think I have seen as evidence. The US has "confirmed" ie accused with all it's political capital that Russia has fired Chinese made ammunition in Ukraine. It could have actually come from North Korea, as Russia bought millions of shells from them. No tanks or missiles yet, but it also took the US and EU about a year to finally send tanks. China is very likely weighing the pros and cons of assisting Russia in this war.
    - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
      I'm not sure what to make of your claim regarding the accusations, I haven't heard that, and even then, you seem to be trying to change the topic from China providing weaponry to any rando providing weaponry that happens to have been made in China – we're discussing the former, as the lack thereof indicates the lack of strong Chinese ties to russia
cpursley 4y ago
> Chinese missiles or tanks That's because Russian misses and tanks are better (as are their aircraft) than anything China can produce. Russia has no issue so far producing these domestically (evidenced by their usage contrary to predictions this time last year that they'd be out soon). https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/comme... However, they are getting stuff like consumer drones, vests and clothing from China. And drones from Iran. Russia is behind on certain types of drones (but are very successful with domestic ones for taking out stationary targets like artillery): https://airtable.com/shrWRJsWz0HY3UW02/tblGOzFRGPpsw551J https://airtable.com/shrWRJsWz0HY3UW02/tblGOzFRGPpsw551J

mrguyorama 4y ago

Russia is absolutely using Chinese ammunition, though it might have come through a third party. There is photographic evidence of it.

ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
is there any evidence that the PRC is providing tanks or missiles to russia for their war on Ukraine? or even the aforementioned ammunition?
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  I am not able to find the image I think I have seen as evidence. The US has "confirmed" ie accused with all it's political capital that Russia has fired Chinese made ammunition in Ukraine. It could have actually come from North Korea, as Russia bought millions of shells from them. No tanks or missiles yet, but it also took the US and EU about a year to finally send tanks. China is very likely weighing the pros and cons of assisting Russia in this war.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    I'm not sure what to make of your claim regarding the accusations, I haven't heard that, and even then, you seem to be trying to change the topic from China providing weaponry to any rando providing weaponry that happens to have been made in China – we're discussing the former, as the lack thereof indicates the lack of strong Chinese ties to russia

cpursley 4y ago

> Chinese missiles or tanks That's because Russian misses and tanks are better (as are their aircraft) than anything China can produce. Russia has no issue so far producing these domestically (evidenced by their usage contrary to predictions this time last year that they'd be out soon). https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/comme... However, they are getting stuff like consumer drones, vests and clothing from China. And drones from Iran. Russia is behind on certain types of drones (but are very successful with domestic ones for taking out stationary targets like artillery): https://airtable.com/shrWRJsWz0HY3UW02/tblGOzFRGPpsw551J https://airtable.com/shrWRJsWz0HY3UW02/tblGOzFRGPpsw551J