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The websites will offer PayPal and then email people who apply. This is why we need a robust crypto system. So that you can pay for whatever you want without
by psychphysic 4y ago
The websites will offer PayPal and then email people who apply.
This is why we need a robust crypto system.
So that you can pay for whatever you want without worrying about giving away who you are.
- mlyle 4y ago> This is why we need a robust crypto system. I don't think the need to be able to buy DDoS without getting caught is the most compelling argument. Do you think being able to packet people is a social good?
- autoexec 4y agoIt's been used by hacktivists before, although people can already pay with bitcoin or other anonymous forms of payment anyway, so even if you accept the DoS as a valid form of protest (and I'm not sold on that personally) we don't really need any new crypto system
- GauntletWizard 4y agoOrganic, home-grown DDOS attacks with dozens to thousands of people using home-internet grade connection, such as the infamous 4-chan LOIC, can reasonably be compared to a form of protest. Loudly blocking the way into a business is pretty common among strikers. For profit DDOS attacks using significantly stolen bandwidth from compromised machines are clearly a different thing entirely. Where you draw the line between them is a discussion topic.
- KyeRussell 4y agoGod. LOIC. I haven’t heard that in a while.
- jkepler 4y agoBitcoin isn't anonymous, its pseudonymous. Unless one is extremely careful and takes a number of secondary steps, bitcoin won't protect your identity.
- psychphysic 4y agoI don't want my personal morals to control what others can pay for. The current system of thought is to make it harder for Peter to buy a coffee in the morning to try and stop Paul from paying for DDOS traffic. Decouple it the way that WhatsApp decoupled itself from the problem of three letter agencies wanting to know message contents with E2EE. As it stands, if some hedge fund doesn't like your product it can pressure VISA to stop letting people to buy it. And that's it game over. It doesn't need to be legally wrong, or even morally wrong. Just don't what some rich dude wants going on.
- himinlomax 4y ago> I don't want my personal morals to control what others can pay for. You don't want your personal morals to prevent others from paying for child prostitutes, hitmen, nerve gas, fissile material or smallpox samples?
- psychphysic 4y agoUnless you're planning to personally oversee every transaction in cash, gold, diamonds, sea shells. It's a false equivalency. Major banks have been found to actively facilitate all those things. So why not have a convenient currency in crypto and just use law enforcement to enforce the law!
- medellin 4y agoAlmost all crypto at this point can be linked back to a person since it’s mostly bought through a few large exchanges that the government has complete insight into. The only way for it to not be traced outside of monero and maybe a few others that have no adoption is buy in cash in person and transfer it to a never before used address. Mine it yourself and never mix it with your other funds.
- NikolaNovak 4y agoI mean... I applaud your honesty and pragmatism as to what are the main reasons why we'd want a working crypto currency system. It's refreshing :)
- jkepler 4y agoDropping your cynical take, and for reasons other than buying illegal services, bitcoin plus strong privacy tools provides a path towards eventually separating money payments from identity. Money is a form of speech, in that it communicates values. Sometimes freedom of speech requires strong anonymity. I see no reason money shouldn't have the same characteristics. The alternative---that governments and other entities get to surveil all our monetary speech/actions---will only have further chilling effects on freedom and civil society. We need monetary privacy to preserve ordered freedom in society, not to buy criminal services. I'm glad police are trying to reduce DDoS crimes.
- blitzar 4y agoBitcoin is neither private nor anonymous.
- NikolaNovak 4y agoThat is a fair point; I think many people will agree on "statement of problem" - pornography is a quick example which is a perfectly legal activity but a) may be privacy-demanding and b) payment methods are being denied based on... not legal requirements :). Cash was nice - fairly anonymous. Digital anonymity seems to be harder. Currently, Crypto to the best of my understanding is not necessarily the solution - it is extremely trackable inside the system, and vulnerable at the edges of the system.
- KyeRussell 4y agoGod you libertarians need to pick your battles. This is embarrassing.