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>The five stages of grief. You're right but not in the way you think. Russia is desperate to prove they aren't isolated internationally.

unmole 4y ago
> Russia is desperate to prove they aren't isolated internationally. BRICS make up 40% of the world's population.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  how much is made up by the R? grouping the R in with the BICS doesn't seem appropriate anymore
  - unmole 4y ago
    ~140 million or less than 5%.
cpursley 4y ago
And they're proving it. The Western block is around a billion people. There are nearly 8 billion people on the planet now. On the import side - you can buy fresh Mexican avocados from any grocery chain anywhere in Russia (the logistics behind that are not trivial). As can you Japanese whiskey, Korean appliances, Chinese cars and a whole other host of products that Soviet citizens could have never even dreamed of. And of course, all the western stuff just he labels are in various foreign languages. On the export side - oil products to India, China and others are up big time. As are high tech heavy industry products (machines of various types) but you don't hear about much but what do you think powers Chinese aircraft? Nuclear reactors, rockets (hello, NASA). They produce as much steel as the US (with half the population) as well as very important agricultural inputs. And there's more than BRICS going on right now. There's also: - International North South Transportation Corridor (INSTC) - Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) - Northern Sea Route (Russia's been busy building nuclear icebreakers) - Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) - Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) And I'm sure there are others I'm missing.
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  Oh good maybe they can finally use some of their boondoggle nuclear cargo ships too
  - xtian 4y ago
    It’s comical to call cargo ships a boondoggle when the US can currently produce no more than ten per year (of the non-nuclear variety).
    - cpursley 4y ago
      Seriously. And Canada is having real problems right now due to lack of adequate icebreakers.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  in the UN votes condemning russian aggression and condemning russian annexations, russia received the support of fewer than 3% of countries in the world, representing less than 3% of people in the world, including themselves seems they failed to prove they aren't isolated
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- cpursley 4y ago
  Update on the SCO: https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-strengthens-relations-with-china-amid-strained-u-s-ties-c5819114 https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-strengthens-relati...
pphysch 4y ago
And they have, particularly when overwhelming Western sanctions failed to shock the Russian economy and society to collapse. Remember when Biden triumphantly announced that the ruble was reduced to "rubble"? That was the objective, and it failed catastrophically.
- Tagbert 4y ago
  So, how is that Russian economy doing now? From sources not controlled by the Kremlin?
  - somenameforme 4y ago
    Russia expected (September 2022) [1]: 2022: -2.9% decline 2023: hoping for slight growth, possibility of slight decline ---- IMF observed/predicts (January 2023) [2]: 2022: -2.2% decline 2023: slight growth ---- [1] - https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-economy-contract-29-2022-economy-minister-2022-09-06/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-economy-contr... [2] - https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/RUS https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/RUS
  - cpursley 4y ago
    Try YouTube. Plenty of Westerners there posting videos of daily life.

unmole 4y ago

> Russia is desperate to prove they aren't isolated internationally. BRICS make up 40% of the world's population.

ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
how much is made up by the R? grouping the R in with the BICS doesn't seem appropriate anymore
- unmole 4y ago
  ~140 million or less than 5%.

cpursley 4y ago

And they're proving it. The Western block is around a billion people. There are nearly 8 billion people on the planet now. On the import side - you can buy fresh Mexican avocados from any grocery chain anywhere in Russia (the logistics behind that are not trivial). As can you Japanese whiskey, Korean appliances, Chinese cars and a whole other host of products that Soviet citizens could have never even dreamed of. And of course, all the western stuff just he labels are in various foreign languages. On the export side - oil products to India, China and others are up big time. As are high tech heavy industry products (machines of various types) but you don't hear about much but what do you think powers Chinese aircraft? Nuclear reactors, rockets (hello, NASA). They produce as much steel as the US (with half the population) as well as very important agricultural inputs. And there's more than BRICS going on right now. There's also: - International North South Transportation Corridor (INSTC) - Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) - Northern Sea Route (Russia's been busy building nuclear icebreakers) - Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) - Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) And I'm sure there are others I'm missing.

selimthegrim 4y ago
Oh good maybe they can finally use some of their boondoggle nuclear cargo ships too
- xtian 4y ago
  It’s comical to call cargo ships a boondoggle when the US can currently produce no more than ten per year (of the non-nuclear variety).
  - cpursley 4y ago
    Seriously. And Canada is having real problems right now due to lack of adequate icebreakers.
ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
in the UN votes condemning russian aggression and condemning russian annexations, russia received the support of fewer than 3% of countries in the world, representing less than 3% of people in the world, including themselves seems they failed to prove they aren't isolated
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cpursley 4y ago
Update on the SCO: https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-strengthens-relations-with-china-amid-strained-u-s-ties-c5819114 https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-strengthens-relati...

pphysch 4y ago

And they have, particularly when overwhelming Western sanctions failed to shock the Russian economy and society to collapse. Remember when Biden triumphantly announced that the ruble was reduced to "rubble"? That was the objective, and it failed catastrophically.

Tagbert 4y ago
So, how is that Russian economy doing now? From sources not controlled by the Kremlin?
- somenameforme 4y ago
  Russia expected (September 2022) [1]: 2022: -2.9% decline 2023: hoping for slight growth, possibility of slight decline ---- IMF observed/predicts (January 2023) [2]: 2022: -2.2% decline 2023: slight growth ---- [1] - https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-economy-contract-29-2022-economy-minister-2022-09-06/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-economy-contr... [2] - https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/RUS https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/RUS
- cpursley 4y ago
  Try YouTube. Plenty of Westerners there posting videos of daily life.