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There is a big difference. American platforms are not state owned and controlled, they are independently owned and operated by private individuals. TikTok is s

There is a big difference. American platforms are not state owned and controlled, they are independently owned and operated by private individuals. TikTok is state owned and state controlled. On top of that, the communist Chinese state has consistently threatened its neighbors with violent annexation. I think it's a dishonest argument to claim that independent American platforms and state-owned Chinese platforms are equivalent.

treeman79 4y ago
US tech companies are not owned by the government, but they are heavily in bed with government.
- beebmam 4y ago
  When you say "they are heavily in bed with government", can you articulate what you mean? Are you saying that the US government can compel these companies to take certain actions in the same way that the Chinese government can? Like, as in, being able to force the company to give up all of its users' private details? Or being able to force the company to inject malware into their software?
  - kevviiinn 4y ago
    The US government can definitely compel US tech companies to give out information on users, they do regularly.
    - beebmam 4y ago
      What evidence do you have for this claim? Are you saying the they can request user data arbitrarily?
      - kevviiinn 4y ago
        >But Facebook policy also allows for “emergency requests,” where the tech giant will voluntarily hand over data outside of the legal process when police claim a case involves death or “potential bodily harm.” Increasingly, law enforcement has taken advantage. In 2019, the government made 6,447 such “emergency requests,” compared to 6,000 in 2018 and 3,672 in 2017. Police submitted “preservation requests,” which operate outside of the legal process and preserve user data for 90 days, for more than 110,000 accounts in 2019. https://onezero.medium.com/cops-are-increasingly-requesting-data-from-facebook-and-you-probably-wont-get-notified-if-they-5b7a2297df17 https://onezero.medium.com/cops-are-increasingly-requesting-... I'm surprised you haven't heard of this by now, its been known for years. Of course you can say police will only use it in "real emergencies" but you're not the one defining what a "real emergency" is and cops lie constantly just to get information
  - alasdair_ 4y ago
    >Are you saying that the US government can compel these companies to take certain actions in the same way that the Chinese government can? Like, as in, being able to force the company to give up all of its users' private details? There is reasonable evidence of this happening. For example: what happened with Qwest. The former CEO claims this was the primary reason for him being targeted. He was openly against the spying by the NSA before the charges were filed. https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/former-qwest-ceo-joe-nacchio-tells-story-of-fight-against-nsa-sec https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/former-qwest-ceo-joe-na...
    - beebmam 4y ago
      Are you claiming that because the US has the ability to get individual user data in law enforcement investigations, they also have the authority to get all of their user data?
  - CodexArcana 4y ago
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Jochim 4y ago
You're not being very clear in your communication: > ByteDance is financially backed by Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, SoftBank Group, Sequoia Capital, General Atlantic, and Hillhouse Capital Group. As of March 2021, it was estimated to be valued at $250 billion in private trades.[0] > ByteDance says 60% of its shares are owned by non-Chinese investors such as U.S investment firms Carlyle Group and Kohlberg Kravis Roberts and Japan's SoftBank Group. Employees own 20% and its founders the remaining 20%. [1] > On top of that, the communist Chinese state has consistently threatened its neighbors with violent annexation. I think it's a dishonest argument to claim that independent American platforms and state-owned Chinese platforms are equivalent. I don't think America has much moral high ground when it comes to violent foreign interference. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/us-chinese-owned-tiktok-security-threat-98098016 https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/us-chinese-owned...

treeman79 4y ago

US tech companies are not owned by the government, but they are heavily in bed with government.

beebmam 4y ago
When you say "they are heavily in bed with government", can you articulate what you mean? Are you saying that the US government can compel these companies to take certain actions in the same way that the Chinese government can? Like, as in, being able to force the company to give up all of its users' private details? Or being able to force the company to inject malware into their software?
- kevviiinn 4y ago
  The US government can definitely compel US tech companies to give out information on users, they do regularly.
  - beebmam 4y ago
    What evidence do you have for this claim? Are you saying the they can request user data arbitrarily?
    - kevviiinn 4y ago
      >But Facebook policy also allows for “emergency requests,” where the tech giant will voluntarily hand over data outside of the legal process when police claim a case involves death or “potential bodily harm.” Increasingly, law enforcement has taken advantage. In 2019, the government made 6,447 such “emergency requests,” compared to 6,000 in 2018 and 3,672 in 2017. Police submitted “preservation requests,” which operate outside of the legal process and preserve user data for 90 days, for more than 110,000 accounts in 2019. https://onezero.medium.com/cops-are-increasingly-requesting-data-from-facebook-and-you-probably-wont-get-notified-if-they-5b7a2297df17 https://onezero.medium.com/cops-are-increasingly-requesting-... I'm surprised you haven't heard of this by now, its been known for years. Of course you can say police will only use it in "real emergencies" but you're not the one defining what a "real emergency" is and cops lie constantly just to get information
- alasdair_ 4y ago
  >Are you saying that the US government can compel these companies to take certain actions in the same way that the Chinese government can? Like, as in, being able to force the company to give up all of its users' private details? There is reasonable evidence of this happening. For example: what happened with Qwest. The former CEO claims this was the primary reason for him being targeted. He was openly against the spying by the NSA before the charges were filed. https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/former-qwest-ceo-joe-nacchio-tells-story-of-fight-against-nsa-sec https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/former-qwest-ceo-joe-na...
  - beebmam 4y ago
    Are you claiming that because the US has the ability to get individual user data in law enforcement investigations, they also have the authority to get all of their user data?
- CodexArcana 4y ago
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Jochim 4y ago

You're not being very clear in your communication: > ByteDance is financially backed by Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, SoftBank Group, Sequoia Capital, General Atlantic, and Hillhouse Capital Group. As of March 2021, it was estimated to be valued at $250 billion in private trades.[0] > ByteDance says 60% of its shares are owned by non-Chinese investors such as U.S investment firms Carlyle Group and Kohlberg Kravis Roberts and Japan's SoftBank Group. Employees own 20% and its founders the remaining 20%. [1] > On top of that, the communist Chinese state has consistently threatened its neighbors with violent annexation. I think it's a dishonest argument to claim that independent American platforms and state-owned Chinese platforms are equivalent. I don't think America has much moral high ground when it comes to violent foreign interference. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/us-chinese-owned-tiktok-security-threat-98098016 https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/us-chinese-owned...