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Would you say the same of Twitter, Facebook and Instagram, and defend the right of the rest if the world to ban them?

by epups 4y ago

unethical_ban 4y ago
As suspicious as the US federal government is, I don't think what those companies do is as tightly coupled with the government as TikTok and China. That said, I'm not sure I would lament a body blow to social media specifically. Let me put the questions to you directly: Do you think the Chinese government is generally hostile to the long term success of Western liberalism? Do you think the Chinese government has meaningful influence on the behavior of TikTok or its recommendation engine? Do you think TikTok data on its hundreds of millions of users is available for general analysis to the Chinese government?
- epups 4y ago
  >As suspicious as the US federal government is, I don't think what those companies do is as tightly coupled with the government as TikTok and China. They have backdoors to all major tech companies, they actively try to control discourse in social media and they just bailed out their tech sector. If that's not being tightly coupled, I don't know what is. >Do you think the Chinese government is generally hostile to the long term success of Western liberalism? No >Do you think the Chinese government has meaningful influence on the behavior of TikTok or its recommendation engine? Probably but no concrete evidence exists >Do you think TikTok data on its hundreds of millions of users is available for general analysis to the Chinese government? To the same extent our data is available to the US and its allies, yes. But China cannot do much with my data, my government can.
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- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  Yes, yes, yes, but I will defend to the death for their right to say it! Free speech means accepting speech one doesn't want to hear, especially if it leads to outcomes one doesn't desire.
flappyeagle 4y ago
Yes, the rest of the world can ban whatever they want in their sovereign domain. See China and Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

Would you say the same of Twitter, Facebook and Instagram, and defend the right of the rest if the world to ban them?

by epups 4y ago

Would you say the same of Twitter, Facebook and Instagram, and defend the right of the rest if the world to ban them?

As suspicious as the US federal government is, I don't think what those companies do is as tightly coupled with the government as TikTok and China. That said, I'm not sure I would lament a body blow to social media specifically. Let me put the questions to you directly: Do you think the Chinese government is generally hostile to the long term success of Western liberalism? Do you think the Chinese government has meaningful influence on the behavior of TikTok or its recommendation engine? Do you think TikTok data on its hundreds of millions of users is available for general analysis to the Chinese government?

epups 4y ago
>As suspicious as the US federal government is, I don't think what those companies do is as tightly coupled with the government as TikTok and China. They have backdoors to all major tech companies, they actively try to control discourse in social media and they just bailed out their tech sector. If that's not being tightly coupled, I don't know what is. >Do you think the Chinese government is generally hostile to the long term success of Western liberalism? No >Do you think the Chinese government has meaningful influence on the behavior of TikTok or its recommendation engine? Probably but no concrete evidence exists >Do you think TikTok data on its hundreds of millions of users is available for general analysis to the Chinese government? To the same extent our data is available to the US and its allies, yes. But China cannot do much with my data, my government can.
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kelseyfrog 4y ago
Yes, yes, yes, but I will defend to the death for their right to say it! Free speech means accepting speech one doesn't want to hear, especially if it leads to outcomes one doesn't desire.

flappyeagle 4y ago

Yes, the rest of the world can ban whatever they want in their sovereign domain. See China and Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.