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It's been said elsewhere in here but I'm going to parrot because this caught me by surprise and this is on the level of importance of the SOPA [1] craziness bac

It's been said elsewhere in here but I'm going to parrot because this caught me by surprise and this is on the level of importance of the SOPA [1] craziness back in 2012. The TikTok ban has very little do with TikTok. It's yet another Patriot Act (now, the Restrict Act [2]) style back door to slip in some seriously heinous legislation that could find you fined to the tune of millions, or worse, thrown in jail for 20 years. > A person who willfully commits, willfully attempts to commit, or willfully conspires to commit, or aids or abets in the commission of an unlawful act described in subsection (a) shall, upon conviction, be fined not more than $1,000,000, or if a natural person, may be imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both. I do view TikTok as a covert military campaign (ideological subversion) and do think it should be limited in the West, however, not via this bill. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgh2dFngFsg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgh2dFngFsg [2] https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/686/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/686...

rglover 4y ago
For those interested, the important stuff can be found in the bill on these pages: 1, 10-22, 32, 36-46, 50-52.
- Terretta 4y ago
  Unless you're making apps that run on one of the named platform types, you don't have to worry. No need to be interested unless you develop for: ... [critical infra] ... ... [telecom / internet] ... ... [services] ... ... [IoT anyone uses] ... ... [unmanned vehicles] ... ... [apps] ... ... [anything important] ...
  - 411111111111111 4y ago
    So the people that create and maintain the foss libraries such as SQLite and libcurl should worry and you think that's okay?
    - mtrovo 4y ago
      I suppose the previous comment was meant to be sarcastic
unity1001 4y ago
> The TikTok ban has very little do with TikTok. It's yet another Patriot Act (now, the Restrict Act [2]) style back door to slip in some seriously heinous legislation that could find you fined to the tune of millions, or worse, thrown in jail for 20 years. Yep. They couldnt put the backdoors through the 'we are fighting pedophilia' excuse. Now they are using Tiktok...
jonathankoren 4y ago
> I do view TikTok as a covert military campaign (ideological subversion) and do think it should be limited in the West, however, not via this bill. I'd like you to expand on the idea that is it is "a covert military campaign (ideological subversion)". It's common talking point, but I literally do not understand it. Sure there are some Chinese based creators that are spreading lies like how everything is super cool in Xinjiang with Uyghurs, but I can go on Twitter and find some American tankie saying that as well. The *VAST* majority of stuff on my FYP is cosplayers, dancing girls, dumb and intentionally awkward jokes, and skateboarders. Are Warhammer 40k and 3d printed Star Wars droids a CCP plot on par with the CIA and modern art[0][1]? To what end? To crash our economy by trying to get us to impress skateboarding leggy Chinese girls with the size of our 7-foot Imperator Titans[2]? Chinese girls that would no doubt a face swapped APT-2 officer, ala Azusagakuyuki[3][4]? I'm not trying to be dismissive, but it does seem far fetched. So what's the best argument? [0] https://daily.jstor.org/was-modern-art-really-a-cia-psy-op/ https://daily.jstor.org/was-modern-art-really-a-cia-psy-op/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10463076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10463076 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VgjqNmKPEE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VgjqNmKPEE [3] https://twitter.com/azusagakuyuki https://twitter.com/azusagakuyuki [4] https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g88m/viral-japanese-biker-transformation-woman-faceapp https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g88m/viral-japanese-biker-...
- rglover 4y ago
  I'll get downvoted for it, but the lot of it is around gender ideology and feminism. It's also around the general infantilisation of younger populations in the West (i.e., promotion of victimhood as a virtue). As for a why: look at the parallel of how the Chinese raise their youth, specifically in relation to combat and military service [1]. If your biggest adversary is the United States/its Western allies and you intend to perform a military strike down the road, it's in your best interest to weaken their fighting population physically and mentally to an extent where they're either non-existent or easily destroyed. That military strike could either be Taiwan, or, on the continental United States in conjunction with other BRICS countries (namely, Russia and now, Iran and Saudi Arabia). I get that the idea is unsavory and triggering (just me having to say that is evidence that the campaign was/is successful), but it's a reality that people need to be aware of in the West. Western hegemony is coming to an end and the geopolitical vultures are taking flight. [1] https://bitterwinter.org/compulsory-military-education-chinese-students/ https://bitterwinter.org/compulsory-military-education-chine...

rglover 4y ago

For those interested, the important stuff can be found in the bill on these pages: 1, 10-22, 32, 36-46, 50-52.

Terretta 4y ago
Unless you're making apps that run on one of the named platform types, you don't have to worry. No need to be interested unless you develop for: ... [critical infra] ... ... [telecom / internet] ... ... [services] ... ... [IoT anyone uses] ... ... [unmanned vehicles] ... ... [apps] ... ... [anything important] ...
- 411111111111111 4y ago
  So the people that create and maintain the foss libraries such as SQLite and libcurl should worry and you think that's okay?
  - mtrovo 4y ago
    I suppose the previous comment was meant to be sarcastic

unity1001 4y ago

> The TikTok ban has very little do with TikTok. It's yet another Patriot Act (now, the Restrict Act [2]) style back door to slip in some seriously heinous legislation that could find you fined to the tune of millions, or worse, thrown in jail for 20 years. Yep. They couldnt put the backdoors through the 'we are fighting pedophilia' excuse. Now they are using Tiktok...

jonathankoren 4y ago

> I do view TikTok as a covert military campaign (ideological subversion) and do think it should be limited in the West, however, not via this bill. I'd like you to expand on the idea that is it is "a covert military campaign (ideological subversion)". It's common talking point, but I literally do not understand it. Sure there are some Chinese based creators that are spreading lies like how everything is super cool in Xinjiang with Uyghurs, but I can go on Twitter and find some American tankie saying that as well. The *VAST* majority of stuff on my FYP is cosplayers, dancing girls, dumb and intentionally awkward jokes, and skateboarders. Are Warhammer 40k and 3d printed Star Wars droids a CCP plot on par with the CIA and modern art[0][1]? To what end? To crash our economy by trying to get us to impress skateboarding leggy Chinese girls with the size of our 7-foot Imperator Titans[2]? Chinese girls that would no doubt a face swapped APT-2 officer, ala Azusagakuyuki[3][4]? I'm not trying to be dismissive, but it does seem far fetched. So what's the best argument? [0] https://daily.jstor.org/was-modern-art-really-a-cia-psy-op/ https://daily.jstor.org/was-modern-art-really-a-cia-psy-op/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10463076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10463076 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VgjqNmKPEE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VgjqNmKPEE [3] https://twitter.com/azusagakuyuki https://twitter.com/azusagakuyuki [4] https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g88m/viral-japanese-biker-transformation-woman-faceapp https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g88m/viral-japanese-biker-...

rglover 4y ago
I'll get downvoted for it, but the lot of it is around gender ideology and feminism. It's also around the general infantilisation of younger populations in the West (i.e., promotion of victimhood as a virtue). As for a why: look at the parallel of how the Chinese raise their youth, specifically in relation to combat and military service [1]. If your biggest adversary is the United States/its Western allies and you intend to perform a military strike down the road, it's in your best interest to weaken their fighting population physically and mentally to an extent where they're either non-existent or easily destroyed. That military strike could either be Taiwan, or, on the continental United States in conjunction with other BRICS countries (namely, Russia and now, Iran and Saudi Arabia). I get that the idea is unsavory and triggering (just me having to say that is evidence that the campaign was/is successful), but it's a reality that people need to be aware of in the West. Western hegemony is coming to an end and the geopolitical vultures are taking flight. [1] https://bitterwinter.org/compulsory-military-education-chinese-students/ https://bitterwinter.org/compulsory-military-education-chine...