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From the article: 'The recent turmoil at Chief began on International Women’s Day, in early March, when a member of the network, Denise Conroy, declared on Lin

From the article: 'The recent turmoil at Chief began on International Women’s Day, in early March, when a member of the network, Denise Conroy, declared on LinkedIn that she was leaving Chief and accused the group of sidestepping political issues and ghosting women of color who applied for membership. (Ms. Conroy, 51, later acknowledged that she had been reprimanded internally for trying to sell tickets on Chief’s platform to an external workshop she was running, which ran counter to the company’s policies.) .... Rachel Hassall, a supply chain executive, is one of the Chief members who chose to leave the organization this month. She had recently participated in a discussion that Ms. Conroy hosted about the book “White Women: Everything You Already Know About Your Own Racism and How to Do Better" Seriously. Who signs up for this? Imagine paying to be called a racist all day long, just so you can feel morally superior to others.

bennysonething 4y ago
Same as being a Catholic "sign up to feel guilty for the rest of your life". I should know, I was born one !
- JohnDeHope 4y ago
  I'm in RCIA classes to convert to Catholicism. I'm skipping this Easter's big confirmation event to give it some more time. I'm chiming in to reply to this comment. Catholicism is a practical way to deal with the guilt you (should?) already feel.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago
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    - tptacek 4y ago
      This comment is gross in a whole variety of ways, but the practical thing I'll rebut here is: Catholics don't tithe, and indulgences are a concept from the 15th century.
      - JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago
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  - wilg 4y ago
    I definitely would recommend trying therapy before religion.
    - prottog 4y ago
      Religion has had that role of support and counsel for millennia. Therapy is a newcomer on the scene, with generally little evidence for its efficacy above and beyond what talking to a religious leader would provide; so much so that there is a growing movement for "evidence-based therapy", whose existence might imply that the other kind is evidence-free.
      - wilg 4y ago
        I think you're misrepresenting the efficacy of psychotherapy, and I don't think you'll have a lot of success pitching religion as an evidence-based alternative.
        joemazerino 4y ago
        How is thousand of years not evidence? Therapy is important but don't discount the power of prayer and community.
        rayiner 4y ago
        The scientific evidence strongly supports the conclusion that religious people are happier and healthier than non-religious people: https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/389510/religion-wellbeing-update.aspx https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/389510/relig...
        tptacek 4y ago
        This makes sense, but none of it supports an argument that religious observance is a reasonable alternative to acute mental health care. Religious people are healthier than non-religious people, but when their appendices burst, they still need a doctor, not a deacon.
JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago
> Seriously. Who signs up for this? Women, specifically the middle-to-upper class ones that take the wackiest university courses, outpace men in grades and graduation rates, are hired preferentially at large companies, completely own the HR departments, and therefore are the ones who determine American Corporate Culture.
fineIllregister 4y ago
> Who signs up for this? It's pretty clear from your comment that you've made up your mind and don't want an actual response, but for anyone who is interested, I can give a real example. I worked at an agency where the "leadership" was exclusively white, and the lowest paid roles were staffed by people who were mostly black. Licensed professionals were getting passed over for promotions in a way that left no explanation other than race. Staff complained, and management (to their credit) wanted to address the concerns. So where do they go? To talks like this, etc. You might think that racism doesn't exist and that there is no value in discussing how to fix it. For those of us living in the real world, these are useful resources.
- kryogen1c 4y ago
  > Staff complained, and management (to their credit) wanted to address the concerns. So where do they go? To talks like this, etc. Honestly this sounds apocryphal. What is the type of racist that accidentally doesn't promote any black people? Furthermore, what is the subset of those racists that simply stop once they get lectured about their obviously racist practices? If they're promoting the wrong people (ie the ones that don't do the job the best) they get fired.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    Lots of stories like this. Read some federal employment discrimination cases—the judicial opinions give lots of detailed facts. Lots of not very bright racists in supervisory roles. That said, the anti-racism training classes actually make that sort of racism worse: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/opinion/dei-trainings-effective.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/opinion/dei-trainings-eff...
  - desert_rue 4y ago
    Define “doing the job the best”. There could be barriers like credentials that some groups may have at a lower rate. A hiring manager sees one candidate with a college degree and another without, and chooses the one with, because that is what is “best”.
  - fineIllregister 4y ago

bennysonething 4y ago

Same as being a Catholic "sign up to feel guilty for the rest of your life". I should know, I was born one !

JohnDeHope 4y ago
I'm in RCIA classes to convert to Catholicism. I'm skipping this Easter's big confirmation event to give it some more time. I'm chiming in to reply to this comment. Catholicism is a practical way to deal with the guilt you (should?) already feel.
- deleted 4y ago
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- JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago
  [flagged]
  - tptacek 4y ago
    This comment is gross in a whole variety of ways, but the practical thing I'll rebut here is: Catholics don't tithe, and indulgences are a concept from the 15th century.
    - JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago
      [flagged]
- wilg 4y ago
  I definitely would recommend trying therapy before religion.
  - prottog 4y ago
    Religion has had that role of support and counsel for millennia. Therapy is a newcomer on the scene, with generally little evidence for its efficacy above and beyond what talking to a religious leader would provide; so much so that there is a growing movement for "evidence-based therapy", whose existence might imply that the other kind is evidence-free.
    - wilg 4y ago
      I think you're misrepresenting the efficacy of psychotherapy, and I don't think you'll have a lot of success pitching religion as an evidence-based alternative.
      - joemazerino 4y ago
        How is thousand of years not evidence? Therapy is important but don't discount the power of prayer and community.
      - rayiner 4y ago
        The scientific evidence strongly supports the conclusion that religious people are happier and healthier than non-religious people: https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/389510/religion-wellbeing-update.aspx https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/389510/relig...
        tptacek 4y ago
        This makes sense, but none of it supports an argument that religious observance is a reasonable alternative to acute mental health care. Religious people are healthier than non-religious people, but when their appendices burst, they still need a doctor, not a deacon.

JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago

> Seriously. Who signs up for this? Women, specifically the middle-to-upper class ones that take the wackiest university courses, outpace men in grades and graduation rates, are hired preferentially at large companies, completely own the HR departments, and therefore are the ones who determine American Corporate Culture.

fineIllregister 4y ago

> Who signs up for this? It's pretty clear from your comment that you've made up your mind and don't want an actual response, but for anyone who is interested, I can give a real example. I worked at an agency where the "leadership" was exclusively white, and the lowest paid roles were staffed by people who were mostly black. Licensed professionals were getting passed over for promotions in a way that left no explanation other than race. Staff complained, and management (to their credit) wanted to address the concerns. So where do they go? To talks like this, etc. You might think that racism doesn't exist and that there is no value in discussing how to fix it. For those of us living in the real world, these are useful resources.

kryogen1c 4y ago
> Staff complained, and management (to their credit) wanted to address the concerns. So where do they go? To talks like this, etc. Honestly this sounds apocryphal. What is the type of racist that accidentally doesn't promote any black people? Furthermore, what is the subset of those racists that simply stop once they get lectured about their obviously racist practices? If they're promoting the wrong people (ie the ones that don't do the job the best) they get fired.
- rayiner 4y ago
  Lots of stories like this. Read some federal employment discrimination cases—the judicial opinions give lots of detailed facts. Lots of not very bright racists in supervisory roles. That said, the anti-racism training classes actually make that sort of racism worse: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/opinion/dei-trainings-effective.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/opinion/dei-trainings-eff...
- desert_rue 4y ago
  Define “doing the job the best”. There could be barriers like credentials that some groups may have at a lower rate. A hiring manager sees one candidate with a college degree and another without, and chooses the one with, because that is what is “best”.
- fineIllregister 4y ago