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Your linked paper doesn't reference mTORC1 a single time. Moreover, the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics has faced numerous criticisms about it's close ties t

Your linked paper doesn't reference mTORC1 a single time. Moreover, the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics has faced numerous criticisms about it's close ties to corporate groups such as McDonald's, Coca-Cola, Mars, and others.* It is fully within their interest to state "vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements" (a direct quote from your linked paper) as it supports the business models of their corporate partners. *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Nutrition_and_Dietetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Nutrition_and_Diete...

at_compile_time 4y ago
Interests aside, it is very important that everyone has B12 in their diet. Most people get it from animal products, so vegans need to be sure they're getting it from somewhere. Without B12, all of the health benefits of lower BMI, higher dietary fiber, and lower saturated fat and dietary cholesterol will be offset by higher stroke risk.
sprucevoid 4y ago
> Your linked paper doesn't reference mTORC1 a single time. Precisely! If there was established scientific knowledge of a mTORC1 problem with eating vegan then the leading nutritional science organization's position paper would cover it. It didn't so everyone, including you, have strong reason to doubt your initial claim. If new research of such a problem gets published in top journals in the field the next position paper will reflect that. Until it does laymen like you and me have strong epistemic reason to side with the position paper. As for possible corporate interests distorting the position paper, do you have any specific evidence about such distortion with regard to mTORC1? Saying that it is merely possible that such a distortion could happen, without any specific evidence about such distortion, is not a useful argument in this discussion because distortions in the opposite direction are equally possible. The meat and dairy industry are among the corporate actors that the AND has received money from.

at_compile_time 4y ago

Interests aside, it is very important that everyone has B12 in their diet. Most people get it from animal products, so vegans need to be sure they're getting it from somewhere. Without B12, all of the health benefits of lower BMI, higher dietary fiber, and lower saturated fat and dietary cholesterol will be offset by higher stroke risk.

sprucevoid 4y ago

> Your linked paper doesn't reference mTORC1 a single time. Precisely! If there was established scientific knowledge of a mTORC1 problem with eating vegan then the leading nutritional science organization's position paper would cover it. It didn't so everyone, including you, have strong reason to doubt your initial claim. If new research of such a problem gets published in top journals in the field the next position paper will reflect that. Until it does laymen like you and me have strong epistemic reason to side with the position paper. As for possible corporate interests distorting the position paper, do you have any specific evidence about such distortion with regard to mTORC1? Saying that it is merely possible that such a distortion could happen, without any specific evidence about such distortion, is not a useful argument in this discussion because distortions in the opposite direction are equally possible. The meat and dairy industry are among the corporate actors that the AND has received money from.