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Wage theft is three times larger than the rest of categories of theft combined, so I suspect the issue is more systemic than some individually asshole leaders /

Wage theft is three times larger than the rest of categories of theft combined, so I suspect the issue is more systemic than some individually asshole leaders / more complex than celebrity-like good vs bad evaluation of individual actors. Agreed they are assholes, but am skeptical that advicating nicer ones and fining the mean ones can legitimize the whole system

kevinventullo 4y ago
Systemic or not, these decisions are still made by individual actors who very much know the difference between right and wrong.
- ihateyouall123 4y ago
  I have no idea what right or wrong means to most people in 2023. Also there is no such thing unless you believe in Judeo-Christian values. There are only actions
  - kevinventullo 4y ago
    Thank you for the insight, ihateyouall123.
cjtrowbridge 4y ago
Yes and, not no but.
- uoaei 4y ago
  Right, culture is frequently described as a top-down phenomenon, so it is appropriate to look at those highest in the leadership chain first, as they are prime movers when it comes to this kind of thing. They shape the organization's operations through their choices of what to get involved in and what to let others handle.
jwestbury 4y ago
Wage theft is also not punished nearly heavily enough to act as a deterrent. From Rutgers: "Even if an employer is caught, the penalties are generally not severe enough to change their future behavior. The two primary penalties that DOL uses are civil money penalties and liquidated damages. Employers who repeatedly or willfully violate the minimum wage and overtime requirements may be subjected to civil monetary penalties of up to $1,100 for each violation, but DOL seldom uses these penalties (Bobo, 2009)."[0] [0]https://smlr.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/Documents/Centers/CWW/Publications/wage_theft_in_the_united_states_a_critical_review_june_2020.pdf https://smlr.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/Documents/Cente...
- bojangleslover 4y ago
  I've never understood the distinction between "employer" and "employee". There's no such thing. I've been both. So have tons of other people.
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    One does work, the other captures the surplus value of that work Sometimes the employer is also acting as a worker but not necessarily and they get to keep the surplus either way That seems like a pretty clear distinction to me
    - fsckboy 4y ago
      if you're going to analyze the labor market, the employees are also capturing the labor surpluses https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sV5P59KbkmE/hqdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sV5P59KbkmE/hqdefault.jpg
      - wahnfrieden 4y ago
        Workers are a variable cost. A business where the surplus goes to workers ongoing instead of profiting its owners is a failure, or a worker’s cooperative.
  - 4y ago

kevinventullo 4y ago

Systemic or not, these decisions are still made by individual actors who very much know the difference between right and wrong.

ihateyouall123 4y ago
I have no idea what right or wrong means to most people in 2023. Also there is no such thing unless you believe in Judeo-Christian values. There are only actions
- kevinventullo 4y ago
  Thank you for the insight, ihateyouall123.

cjtrowbridge 4y ago

Yes and, not no but.

uoaei 4y ago
Right, culture is frequently described as a top-down phenomenon, so it is appropriate to look at those highest in the leadership chain first, as they are prime movers when it comes to this kind of thing. They shape the organization's operations through their choices of what to get involved in and what to let others handle.

jwestbury 4y ago

Wage theft is also not punished nearly heavily enough to act as a deterrent. From Rutgers: "Even if an employer is caught, the penalties are generally not severe enough to change their future behavior. The two primary penalties that DOL uses are civil money penalties and liquidated damages. Employers who repeatedly or willfully violate the minimum wage and overtime requirements may be subjected to civil monetary penalties of up to $1,100 for each violation, but DOL seldom uses these penalties (Bobo, 2009)."[0] [0]https://smlr.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/Documents/Centers/CWW/Publications/wage_theft_in_the_united_states_a_critical_review_june_2020.pdf https://smlr.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/Documents/Cente...

bojangleslover 4y ago
I've never understood the distinction between "employer" and "employee". There's no such thing. I've been both. So have tons of other people.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  One does work, the other captures the surplus value of that work Sometimes the employer is also acting as a worker but not necessarily and they get to keep the surplus either way That seems like a pretty clear distinction to me
  - fsckboy 4y ago
    if you're going to analyze the labor market, the employees are also capturing the labor surpluses https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sV5P59KbkmE/hqdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sV5P59KbkmE/hqdefault.jpg
    - wahnfrieden 4y ago
      Workers are a variable cost. A business where the surplus goes to workers ongoing instead of profiting its owners is a failure, or a worker’s cooperative.
- 4y ago