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Like strong arming US companies into putting party shills onto their boards? Disappearing CEO's for months at a time? I'm glad the US doesn't have to resort to

by pookah 4y ago

Like strong arming US companies into putting party shills onto their boards? Disappearing CEO's for months at a time? I'm glad the US doesn't have to resort to CCP corporate facism and thugery. We're all doomed if they do.

DanHulton 4y ago
Straw man. Please don't do this.
vinyl7 4y ago
The US is already a corporate fascist state. The difference between the US and CCP is that in the US, the corporations control the government.
tiny_ta 4y ago
Similarly outrageous things could be said about any country. <faux outrage> Would you prefer politicians who are in the pockets of lobbyists? Politicians who repeal regulation that keeps a bank with subpar risk management from getting too big to fail? </faux outrage> No one has to blindly copy anyone. However, nuance seems to missing in western discussions these days (I say western because these are the discussions I'm mostly aware of). Nuance is difficult. When everything becomes hyperbole, it gets harder to learn best practices from other countries. Edit: Added <faux outrage> tags
- Aunche 4y ago
  It's ironic that you say "nuance seems to missing in western discussions these days" after making a sweeping allegation about politicians and lobbyists.
  - jdgoesmarching 4y ago
    Oh come on. I don’t have a dog in this particular fight, but if you can’t accept politicians being in the pockets of lobbyists as a premise for an argument you are either being naïve or intellectually dishonest.
  - knodi123 4y ago
    He said that those kinds of statements would be outrageous.
  - tiny_ta 4y ago
    I was merely trying to show how such strawman statements could be made for anybody and any country. I keep forgetting how tone and subtext can be lost in text format :)
- stickfigure 4y ago
  > Similarly outrageous things could be said about any country. Not truthfully, they can't.
KyeRussell 4y ago
If you had a leg to stand on you’d argue against the view that OP has actually expressed. I get that you hate China or whatever, but don’t air your dirty laundry here.
onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
Is any of that required to break up a monopoly? Has any of that ever happened in the US in the past to break up monopolies?
- eternalban 4y ago
  GP is confused about the distinction of systems where bad actors exploit the system, with systems where bad actors are the system. So for GP ("[no] hyperbole"), corruption is "similarly outrageous" as an unaccountable state that can disappear people. This error in judgment is possibly caused by the unrestrained greed of the Western elite in the past 3 decades that shades the authoritarian supreme leader type states. You would think the distinction between "rule of law" and "leader knows best" type of approaches would be clear at this late date. Apparently not.
gnarbarian 4y ago
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by pookah 4y ago

DanHulton 4y ago

Straw man. Please don't do this.

vinyl7 4y ago

The US is already a corporate fascist state. The difference between the US and CCP is that in the US, the corporations control the government.

tiny_ta 4y ago

Similarly outrageous things could be said about any country. <faux outrage> Would you prefer politicians who are in the pockets of lobbyists? Politicians who repeal regulation that keeps a bank with subpar risk management from getting too big to fail? </faux outrage> No one has to blindly copy anyone. However, nuance seems to missing in western discussions these days (I say western because these are the discussions I'm mostly aware of). Nuance is difficult. When everything becomes hyperbole, it gets harder to learn best practices from other countries. Edit: Added <faux outrage> tags

Aunche 4y ago
It's ironic that you say "nuance seems to missing in western discussions these days" after making a sweeping allegation about politicians and lobbyists.
- jdgoesmarching 4y ago
  Oh come on. I don’t have a dog in this particular fight, but if you can’t accept politicians being in the pockets of lobbyists as a premise for an argument you are either being naïve or intellectually dishonest.
- knodi123 4y ago
  He said that those kinds of statements would be outrageous.
- tiny_ta 4y ago
  I was merely trying to show how such strawman statements could be made for anybody and any country. I keep forgetting how tone and subtext can be lost in text format :)
stickfigure 4y ago
> Similarly outrageous things could be said about any country. Not truthfully, they can't.

KyeRussell 4y ago

If you had a leg to stand on you’d argue against the view that OP has actually expressed. I get that you hate China or whatever, but don’t air your dirty laundry here.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago

Is any of that required to break up a monopoly? Has any of that ever happened in the US in the past to break up monopolies?

eternalban 4y ago
GP is confused about the distinction of systems where bad actors exploit the system, with systems where bad actors are the system. So for GP ("[no] hyperbole"), corruption is "similarly outrageous" as an unaccountable state that can disappear people. This error in judgment is possibly caused by the unrestrained greed of the Western elite in the past 3 decades that shades the authoritarian supreme leader type states. You would think the distinction between "rule of law" and "leader knows best" type of approaches would be clear at this late date. Apparently not.

gnarbarian 4y ago

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