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According to the AAP[0], even up to 21 would count. [0]https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/140/3/e20172151/38333/Age-Limit-of-Pediatrics?autologinc

According to the AAP[0], even up to 21 would count. [0]https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/140/3/e20172151/38333/Age-Limit-of-Pediatrics?autologincheck=redirected https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/140/3/e20172...

stametseater 4y ago
If the cutoff was 18 , 21, or even 25 I wouldn't bat an eye. But a cutoff of 19 suggests manipulation of the statistic to achieve a desired outcome. 18 - Old enough to vote, join the army without parental permission. 21 - Old enough to drink and buy cigarettes. Also the age used for numerous firearm purchase/carry laws, when that age isn't 18. 25 - Popularly claimed to be when the human brain reaches maturity, or something like that. 19 - ....has "teen" in the word?
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  Yes, the standard is 19 because that's when you stop being a teenager. It's a pretty common range.
  - stametseater 4y ago
    That's the most arbitrary of those four age ranges, set by a fluke of English terminology and not aligning with any laws or social norms.
    - layer8 4y ago
      It aligns with the WHO definition of adolescence (10-19).
      - achenatx 4y ago
        then you would expect the groups to be 1-9 and 10-19
        layer8 4y ago
        If you look at their 2018 publication [0], they actually do that, distinguishing between younger children (1-4), older children (5-9), and adolescents (10-19). [0] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754
- trilbyglens 4y ago
  My guess is that 19 is when a cohort is 100% out of school. If you cut off at 18 you'd miss many highschool seniors, and therefore lots of school shooting deaths.
  - Philorandroid 4y ago
    That would require an incredible slant towards exclusively 18-year-olds being killed in school shootings, and an exceptional overestimation of just how many school shooting deaths there are per capita for it to make that kind of difference.
- layer8 4y ago
  They are likely adopting the WHO definition of adolescence as ages 10-19: https://www.who.int/health-topics/adolescent-health#tab=tab_1hh https://www.who.int/health-topics/adolescent-health#tab=tab_... This makes sense for international comparison. The supplemental material of the 2016 version compares with other countries: https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754/suppl_file/nejmsr1804754_appendix.pdf https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754/suppl_f...
  - stametseater 4y ago
    > 10-19 But that's not the age range they used.
    - layer8 4y ago
      Because they combine children and adolescents (1-19). In their 2018 publication [0], you can see they actually do distinguish between younger children (1-4), older children (5-9), and adolescents (10-19). Your complaint was that 19 is an arbitrary cutoff, or even in bad faith, but it’s actually a common established definition in health contexts. [0] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754

stametseater 4y ago

If the cutoff was 18 , 21, or even 25 I wouldn't bat an eye. But a cutoff of 19 suggests manipulation of the statistic to achieve a desired outcome. 18 - Old enough to vote, join the army without parental permission. 21 - Old enough to drink and buy cigarettes. Also the age used for numerous firearm purchase/carry laws, when that age isn't 18. 25 - Popularly claimed to be when the human brain reaches maturity, or something like that. 19 - ....has "teen" in the word?

sudosysgen 4y ago
Yes, the standard is 19 because that's when you stop being a teenager. It's a pretty common range.
- stametseater 4y ago
  That's the most arbitrary of those four age ranges, set by a fluke of English terminology and not aligning with any laws or social norms.
  - layer8 4y ago
    It aligns with the WHO definition of adolescence (10-19).
    - achenatx 4y ago
      then you would expect the groups to be 1-9 and 10-19
      - layer8 4y ago
        If you look at their 2018 publication [0], they actually do that, distinguishing between younger children (1-4), older children (5-9), and adolescents (10-19). [0] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754
trilbyglens 4y ago
My guess is that 19 is when a cohort is 100% out of school. If you cut off at 18 you'd miss many highschool seniors, and therefore lots of school shooting deaths.
- Philorandroid 4y ago
  That would require an incredible slant towards exclusively 18-year-olds being killed in school shootings, and an exceptional overestimation of just how many school shooting deaths there are per capita for it to make that kind of difference.
layer8 4y ago
They are likely adopting the WHO definition of adolescence as ages 10-19: https://www.who.int/health-topics/adolescent-health#tab=tab_1hh https://www.who.int/health-topics/adolescent-health#tab=tab_... This makes sense for international comparison. The supplemental material of the 2016 version compares with other countries: https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754/suppl_file/nejmsr1804754_appendix.pdf https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754/suppl_f...
- stametseater 4y ago
  > 10-19 But that's not the age range they used.
  - layer8 4y ago
    Because they combine children and adolescents (1-19). In their 2018 publication [0], you can see they actually do distinguish between younger children (1-4), older children (5-9), and adolescents (10-19). Your complaint was that 19 is an arbitrary cutoff, or even in bad faith, but it’s actually a common established definition in health contexts. [0] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754