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> Many people are unable to charge at home due to living in apartments etc. We will solve the charging problem by running simple L2 240V AC wiring to plugs/pol

> Many people are unable to charge at home due to living in apartments etc. We will solve the charging problem by running simple L2 240V AC wiring to plugs/poles on the street. It will cost a little bit of money and billing will have to be sorted, but compared to the vast hidden costs of maintaining the roads and urban parking spaces (let alone the costs of not reducing fossil fuel usage) it's basically a rounding error. It's not even much power: the average European driver travels 32.9km/day. At a (Tesla) usage of 166wH/km that’s 5.461kWh/day, or 273W continuous average power draw assuming most people drive for 4H/day and park the rest of the time. More than a streetlight, but not that much.

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bluescrn 4y ago
> We will solve the charging problem by running simple L2 240V AC wiring to plugs/poles on the street. The problem will be most likely solved by letting a private company with a local near-monopoly on public charing install chargers in on-street parking and apartment car parks. This private company will then charge several times the market rate for the electricity to use the chargers, several times more than wealthier people are paying to charge their cars.
jjav 4y ago
> It's not even much power: [...] that’s 5.461kWh/day I wouldn't call that not much power. My average (over past 10 years) entire house usage is around 15kWh/day. So that's nearly 40% of the usage of the house. But if there's two drivers per household now it's about 75% incremental power usage per household. That's pretty substantial.
- matthewdgreen 4y ago
  Drivers are already using substantially more energy to power their (highly inefficient) ICE cars. The question here is not whether we'll use more energy, clearly EVs will use less. Similarly the question isn't whether power grids will need an upgrade, that's already in the cards as part of the EV transition. The objection raised by the OP is simply whether we can deliver 240V AC electricity to the physical streets where cars are parked, and the answer is "yes, with modest civil engineering."

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bluescrn 4y ago

> We will solve the charging problem by running simple L2 240V AC wiring to plugs/poles on the street. The problem will be most likely solved by letting a private company with a local near-monopoly on public charing install chargers in on-street parking and apartment car parks. This private company will then charge several times the market rate for the electricity to use the chargers, several times more than wealthier people are paying to charge their cars.

jjav 4y ago

> It's not even much power: [...] that’s 5.461kWh/day I wouldn't call that not much power. My average (over past 10 years) entire house usage is around 15kWh/day. So that's nearly 40% of the usage of the house. But if there's two drivers per household now it's about 75% incremental power usage per household. That's pretty substantial.

matthewdgreen 4y ago
Drivers are already using substantially more energy to power their (highly inefficient) ICE cars. The question here is not whether we'll use more energy, clearly EVs will use less. Similarly the question isn't whether power grids will need an upgrade, that's already in the cards as part of the EV transition. The objection raised by the OP is simply whether we can deliver 240V AC electricity to the physical streets where cars are parked, and the answer is "yes, with modest civil engineering."